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MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD
SUBJECT:
CENTER LANE Interview Summary - HU-1071/8404/63 (U)
1.
(S/CL-3/NOFORN)
On
280940
March 1984, source #63 was
interviewed by monitor #66 in an attempt to verify the suspected
location of an individual identified as William F. Buckley.
The
project 8404 sponsor had provided an overhead photograph of the
suspected building, a map of the area, and a photograph of
Buckley (see Incl 1).
2.
(S/CL-3/NOFORN)
For this interview source was initially
shown the map provided by the sponsor and asked to decribe his
perceptions of the area specified.
No other identifying data
was provided to source at the time of the interview. After the
interview,
source was
shown the overhead photograph and a
picture of
William F. Buckley.
All other
intelligence
information was withheld for use
as
feedback and cuing for
possible subsequent interviews.
3.
(U)
A transcript of the interview was prepared (see Incl 2).
4.
(U)
A DA Form 341 (Agent Report) was prepared for the
sponsor .
This report related the salient points of the
interview.
Attached to the report was an overhead photograph
depicting the suspected location of Buckley and an area of
interest to source (see Incl 3).
Association with the below
named
individual
and
Military
Intelligence is CONFIDENTIAL.
SG1J
3 Incl
as
OPS/TNG Officer
NOTE :
Information of
immediate operational value was
provided
to
sponsor immediately, or as soon as possible, after the interview.
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CDR, INSCOM
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OADR
CENTER LANESPECIAL ACCESS PROGRAM
NESTHEY DISSEMINATION TO THOSE
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HU-1071/8404/63
# 66:
This will be a CENTER LANE Interview for 0940 hours
28 March 1984. I've shown you a map and indicated
the point on the map about which we need
information.
£
I am now telling you that at the point
on the map that which has been indicated to you,
there is something to describe.
# 63:
All right.
I have an AOL, immediately, because of
the military Christian cemetery right below that.
AOL break is
military.
AOL break - --- Lebanon.
. made it rising, man made, in these
buildings.
# 66:
Okay .
# 63:
Stage 2 -- large, rising.
.....
. right there.
# 66:
Um, um.
# 63:
.
.Hard surface, stone, .
. AI break, ... I shorten
the
(mumble) (mumble).
.....
. (mumble )
it's
open, ... (mumble) to an open area, ... (mumble) is
large,
. Stage 2 --- is cold, Stage 2 --- is dark
and gray.
. AI Break, looming.
# 66:
I'm sorry, I didn't understand.
# 63:
Looming, it's looming up there.
# 66:
Tell you that initially I need stage 3 sketch for
orientation.
# 63:
All right.
Confusion break ---- I keep getting that,
I don't know whether it's vertical and it's got an
atrium in it or whether it's ground here and it's
doming up over like that and there's an atrium down
underneath of it.
# 66:
Um, um
# 63:
I
think
it's
a
Confusion
break.
. Intangible
--- is official,
.. EI --- is
dark.
# 66:
Now, in this stage 3 sketch you've drawn me here at
the bottom of page 2, compare that with the map I've
shown you and show me north, south, east and west.
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# 63:
North.
# 66:
All right. Now looking at your sketch, and looking
at the map, we notice that there's a road to the
south of the building and across the street is a
cemetary.
#63:
Right.
# 66:
Okay?
To the East of your sketch is a road, I'm
sorry, to the ah, ... you haven't drawn, if notice on
the map, there's a main road.
# 63:
Um, um.
# 66:
Okay, now add it to your sketch, the main road.
Now
to the immediate West, you did sketch a road, all
right? Now, movement exercise.
£
Start a new piece
of paper.
# 63:
Okay. All right.
# 66:
Do you have to, from structure standpoint, do you
have to write down your thing, I hope you will label
that then or something.
# 63:
Um, um. Well, I just write 50 meters to the east or
whatever and then I'll start bringing in the stages
as they come.
# 66:
Acquire the original site ..
# 63:
Okay, let me give you a little more on the original
site first. Okay, it's a narrative form, off the
road, flat area, ... trees, it's got a road going
around, maybe squaring it off, around it and it's
got a park like environment around it, like maybe
grass or something.
# 66:
Um, um, some sort of landscaping?
#63:
Yeah.
# 66:
Okay.
#63:
Okay. Does that seem pretty right?
# 66:
Yeah, that's fine.
# 63:
Okay.
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# 66:
We will label that the original site.
# 63:
Okay, good. Okay, I have that.
# 66:
Okay, acquire the original site.
# 63:
Got it.
# 66:
Across .... let me rephrase that, west, across the
street, something is describable.
# 63:
.
Misprint.
# 66:
Acquire the original site.
# 63:
Okay, I have that.
# 66:
West, across the street something is describable.
# 63:
A is rising, man made,
B
a structure, Stage
2 --- thin, tall.
#66:
Correct.
# 63:
Park like atmosphere, again.
# 66:
Correct.
# 63:
.....
. AOL break .... It's like a short Washington
Monument.
# 66:
Okay. I understand you say that you have a general
(mumble) in this feeling?
# 63:
Um, um.
# 66:
Okay.
Now, for the rest of our discussion here this
morning, this is the location of interest, as
apposed to the original site.
# 63:
The tall, thinness, okay.
# 66:
The tall, thinness, what would you
like me, how
would you like me to refer (mumble) ?
# 63:
I guess we'll just call that the site.
# 66:
Site, site of interest, all right.
Acquire the site
of interest.
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Tangibles --- man made, Dimensional --- it's tall, Stage
2 --- it's
hard, Dimensional --- it's
surrounded,
Dimensional ---- it's large, Tangible -- it's stone.
# 66:
Or something as apposed to wood?
# 63:
Um, um.
# 66:
Okay.
I
have sufficient information on that.
Movement exercise follows.
# 63:
Okay, movement exercise, all right.
# 66:
Inside, the site of interest, there's something of
intelligence interest.
# 63:
Confusion break --- I had a piece of equipment and a
person at the same time. The piece of equipment
seemed to be sitting on a table top, small and the
person seemed to be sitting there.
#66:
Okay, you've declared your confusion. Need I recue
you on, it seems like a lot of words to write down
there.
# 63:
No.
# 66:
All right.
# 63:
No.
# 66:
You are now in control of yourself.
#63:
Well, roughly speaking.
# 66:
You are now in control of the session.
# 63:
Right ..
Dimensional -- is
large,
tangible ---- is
hallway, Dimensional --- is high, tangible --- ceiling,
tangible -- is steps, dimensional --- is multi level.
# 66:
Draw a line under the cuing I gave you.
# 63:
Um, um. I seem to be moving around in the building,
looking for that thing.
# 66:
Keep going.
# 63:
Like I'm on second floor now.
# 66:
Looking for what's of intelligence interest.
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# 63:
Right.
Tangible --- people, echoey
sounds,
. . . .
tangibles --- person.
#66:
Break.
#63:
Break.
# 66:
Stage 4 matrix -- person.
# 63:
Stage 2,
dimensional - - AI - - AI - - TI - - AOL,
(mumble)
person, stage 2 -- is gray blond, tangible --- is hair,
dimensional
is
47
to
50
years.
Dimensional
is
5'
10",
.. dimensional - - is
aged, tangible --- is
face, stage
2 --- is wrinkled,
tangible --- is straight hair,
... EI --- is concerned,
kind face, EI -- is worried,
# 66:
Bilo break. Let's go ahead and push the AI, EI and
I, on person described.
# 63:
Okay.
Tangible --- is male, I'll put that down.
. .... . AI -- (mumble ), strange feelings,
EI --- is
confused, a narrative -- it feels like he's where he's
supposed to be or where he used to be, but he
doesn't want to be there anymore. It's like, you
know, I'm right now where I'm supposed to be and
this is where I work, but then if I decided I didn't
want to work here anymore, I wanted to leave, you
wouldn't let me, that sort of thing.
# 66:
He's not comfortable where ever he is and wants to
go away, but there's something familiar about it as
well.
# 63:
Um, um.
#66:
Okay.
Declare confusion break, and declare that as
confusion.
# 63:
Trapped in his home environment is a good way of
putting it.
# 66:
All right, very good.
Some
I
type descriptives
(mumble).
# 63:
Kind, intelligent, .... AOL break -- head of something.
#66:
Okay, you declared that as AOLs, is it visual or
what kind of AOL is it?
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Well, it's verbal, I can look through the AOL.
Okay, those an AOL signal - - -?
Yeah, sort of. It's an AOL in that it's the best
. way I could describe the feeling that I have and
feelings are harder to describe sometimes.
# 63:
# 66:
#63:
#66:
Sure. Go on.
# 63:
AOL break ---- I'm writing a novel over here, so take
a break for a minute. It's like he's the director
of some big laboratory and he comes across some
amazing discovery and somebody comes in and says
"Okay, we're going to take this major discovery and
use it for our purposes" and he doesn't want to and
they say, "yes you are" and they trap him in that
situation.
#66:
Okay .
# 63:
There.
# 66:
So, that's very good. But see if you can summarize,
you have the AOL, analytical overlay from many
inputs that you have, that this guy's, a guy in
charge of something.
# 63:
Um, um
#66:
And it is trapped in his present circumstances have
something to do with the fact that he was in charge
of something? Is there anything else there?
# 63:
I'm seeing him white.
#66:
Is this AOL?
# 63:
No, this is real, white smock like or something.
# 66:
Tangible?
# 63:
Um, um.
Intangible --- is the laboratory feeling.
#66:
Okay, are these visuals?
# 63:
No.
# 66:
Okay.
Okay, so that would be dress is described as
being some white type garb?
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# 63:
Um, um.
# 66:
Intangible --- laboratory feeling
to
that ?
Okay.
Okay, I'd like, break, I'd like
to move away from
person, and continue to move through the building
and see what else comes up.
# 63:
Okay .
# 66:
I don't know if it's necessary for you to objectify
something to get you away from the person and
continue on. Okay.
# 63:
I'll just write building down here.
# 66:
Okay.
# 63:
AOL break ---- this
is further continuation of my
novel, he's got a
daughter and she's trapped in it
too.
#66:
This big AOL (mumble) involved a daughter that's
trapped?
# 63:
Um, um.
#63:
AOL signal --- classroom type environment.
# 66:
The building?
# 63:
Um, um.
And what that means is that it's
not
necessarily
a
classroom, but
that's
similar
environment .
# 66:
All right.
#63:
Stage
2 -
- - -
blue and black, tangibles --- knobs.
#66:
Say what?
# 63:
Knobs.
Sketch.
tangibles
austere (sp) environment.
# 66:
Take a
break.
Okay, I've watched you very
carefully, watched your behavior very carefully,
walking your objectifier across your matrix and
having you find nothing and I wanted you to know
that it's okay to find nothing.
# 63:
Um, um.
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# 66:
Okay, so at this point, I now wish you to summarize
the cuing question.
# 63:
Okay .
# 66:
The question is items of intelligence interest in
the building.
I
want you to summarize the cuing
question and then I want to take a break to go the
the bathroom and then I want to re-address the area
again.
# 63:
Okay,
inside building,
this
is
a person of
interest.
Person
is 47, 50
years old.
That's
pretty analytical isn't it?
5" 10" height, aged,
wrinkled face.
# 66:
Those dimensionals are good and it might be nice to
say middle aged, average height.
# 63:
Um, um.
Gray-blond hair, hair, h-a-r-e, hair,
middle aged.
#66:
That's just my suggestion, put those in () or
something . .
# 63:
Average height.
# 66:
Somewhere in there put male.
# 63:
Male.
Okay, let's see.
Person
is worried,
confused, feels trapped in his environment.
Person
is intelligent. Person is in charge of something
which has a laboratory type feeling.
# 66 :
Why don't you look back at your data.
When you said
to me before, I think, and I want to talk about this
with you, because I'm wondering if you put things
together here, the way you said that.
He's in
charge of something and this something has led him
to be trapped by his own circumstances, I thought
that's what you said before.
# 63:
Um, um.
# 66:
The laboratory type feeling, if you'll look at your
charts, I think goes as a, part of your AOL senario,
and that you find him now to be dressed in white, a
white garb of some kind.
So now reread that
statement and see if that's an accurate extract of
what you said, because I'm confused.
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# 63:
Yeah, okay,
I got person in charge of something
which has a laboratory type feeling and that's not
necessarily right, so I'll change that.
Person is
in charge of something which has caused him to feel
trapped in his situation.
# 66:
This is very difficult and I want to make sure you
extracted from the way it came out of the session.
# 63:
Um, um.
And ah, appears to be dressed in white and
has lab feeling.
# 66:
Okay.
I
think as a tangible, you can say, is
dressed in some sort of white.
# 63:
Okay .
# 66:
Would you agree with that?
# 63:
Um, um.
# 66:
A tangible is thing, it is that way.
This white
thing that he's dressed in has
a
laboratory
(mumble).
I think that's what you mean.
# 63:
Yeah, he dressed in something white, which has a
laboratory feeling.
# 66:
Okay, what else do we know about this person looking
down through your (mumble ) ?
# 63:
Gray-blond hair, 47 to 50 years, 5" 10", aged,
wrinkles, straight hair, gray-blond hair, straight,
kind face, aged, wrinkled face, kind face. He had
strange feelings or I had strange feelings about his
feelings, he concerned, worried, confused.
#66:
Don't play with your microphone while you talk, you
mess up the recording.
# 63:
All right.
He's concerned, worried and confused.
#66:
Fine.
# 63:
Trapped in his own environment, head of something,
that's it.
We've got that all down.
# 66:
Okay, moving then against the original cuing
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question which
is
things is interest in
the
building, you had a person of interest, now in
summary is there anything else of interest?
# 63:
# 66:
I didn't find anything.
Okay.
# 63:
When I first popped into the building, I had a
confusion break of a piece of equipment and
a
person. And I did have the two together, I had the
person, you know, geshtalt wise, the person located
right beside the piece of equipment and perhaps this
man is discovered or his expertise is that piece of
equipment.
# 66:
You associate it in someway, this piece of equipment?
# 63:
Yeah.
# 66:
Okay.
# 63:
But, what I
went for building, instead of wandering
all through
there and I didn't find anything of
interest.
# 66:
All right.
#63:
Nothing came up.
# 66:
Let's take a break here and then I want to go back
and ask questions in couple minutes.
# 63:
Okay.
# 66:
We've had a change of heart, we're going to call
this an end and then we're going to come back and do
an interview a little bit later on and pick up some
more information.
# 66:
Having declared an end now, I want to give you some
feedback as well as ask you for some verifying
information, because the further data that I have to
ask you about will not be disclosed here. The first
thing I want to show you is the map, the photograph
of the area that I have and of course I want to know
if you have warm and fuzzy feelings about you went
to the right place and so forth and so on. Okay,
now on the map the original site, as I point here,
the original site would this and across the street
would be the site of interest.
As you see here's
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the main street here, okay, we have to put this
direction.
Here's the main here and between these
two buildings runs another street, so I put you on
the original site and then I asked you to look
across the street to this. Now as you look at this
picture, do you have the feeling that this was
appropriate? Looking across the street would have
been this street that runs between them.
# 63:
Um, um. Well, did you see that, that looks like the
Washington Monument, it's got trees all round it.
May want to call this street.
# 66:
I don't know what that is.
#63:
Just a little bit part of the edge, you can see that
is Washington Monument.
# 66:
A towering thing.
# 63:
Um, um
# 66:
I think that there are, as you can see the shadows,
these are all
landscaping trees all
around the
bottom.
# 63;
And there's a park environment right here too.
And
that's the open area perhaps that I was describing.
All I have to say is, I think that was on the site.
# 66:
Okay .
# 63:
I've gotten to the point now, if you tell me to go
somewhere, I believe that's where I am.
# 66:
Um, um. Okay, now I
want to ask you the same kind
of question. I've got another picture here and this
is again, I looking to say, have you, do you get a
warm and fuzzy, do you get, "Oh, I feel good about
that type" or "No, I don't feel good about that",
from another perspective? Here's another picture I
want to show you and see if you have a feeling about
this picture.
# 63:
Yeah, I do.
# 66:
You do what?
# 63:
I do have a good feeling about it.
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# 66:
Okay, I'll show you a picture of a person and you
have a good feeling about that picture?
# 63:
Um, um and he's got the gray-blond straight hair.
He's got kind eyes that wrinkles.
If you ask me how
old he is, I'd say 47 to 50 years old by looking at
him from the picture.
# 66:
So you have a good feeling about the picture?
#63:
Um, um.
# 66:
Okay .
Good, we'll call that an end now.
# 63:
Before you end that, I am certain that I went over
here. Now, I'm not saying he's in there when you
started talking about the building of interest.
I
guess somehow
I realized this couldn't be the
building of interest and I went back over to here,
but you can see there's
a circular drive or
something, down around that and everything, I'm
certain that I was there.
# 66:
While I was worrying what circles. Well, as you and
I have worked before, sometimes I put you on a site
and you look out at the horizon from the site, and
so I have to do movement exercises.
# 63:
But if I was there, which I'm certain I am, I know
that I could have been there too.
# 66:
Yes, I understand.
. The morass of understanding of
how this thing works, we still aren't too sure
about, and that's why having an address would have
been much better. The point being is that we were
looking for this man and he appears to be in the
building of interest.
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SG11
Aol Break
Military
Aol Break
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Amusing monade
B building
5-2
large
hardsurface
stone
AI Break
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dark
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open
area
official
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hard
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Piece of Equipment
person person
large
high
multi-level
hallways
Celuigos
steps
people
echoy
sounds
Person
Break
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blande
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Concerned
kind
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worried
Bilo Beck
male
AI Bude
strange
feelings
.
Confused
Confusion Break
trapped in his own
ancienment
intelligent
Aal Brech
Head of something
Aol Break
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Summary:
inside building is a person of interest
person is 47-50 years old (middle aged)
5'10 in height ( average hight)
aged winkler face, kind face
gray blonde hair, straight
male
person is worried , confused , feels trapped in his environment
person is intelligent
person is in charge of something which has a laboratory
feeling caused him to feel trapped in his situation.
appears to be is dressed something white which has a lachatons feeling
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AGENT REPORT
For use of this form, see FM 30-17(C); AR 381-20; the proponent agency is the Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff for intelligence.
1. NAME OF SUBJECT OR TITLE OF INCIDENT
2. DATE SUBMITTED
3. CONTROL SYMBOL OR FILE NUMBER
HU-1071/8404/63
4. REPORT OF FINDINGS
PROJECT FRANCIS
On 28 March 1984, Source'IS-63 was interviewed in an attempt
to verify the suspected location of SUBJECT.
Source . stated
substantially as follows:
Source was unable
to verify the suspected location of
SUBJECT.
SUBJECT was in an area other than the suspected
building.
At the conclusion of the interview Source was shown
an overhead photograph of the suspected location.
Source
indicated SUBJECT was most likely located in and/or around a
tower-like structure shown in the upper right of the overhead
photograph (see EXHIBIT I).
Source provided no further amplifying information on the
location of SUBJECT during this interview.
Attached hereto as EXHIBIT I is an overhead photograph
depicting the suspected location of SUBJECT and an area of
interest to Source.
WARNING NOTICE:
SENSITIVE
INTELLIGENCE SOURCES AND
METHODS INVOLVED
NOT RELEASABLE TO FOREIGN
NATIONALS
CLASSIFIED BY :
CDR, INSCOM
DECL :
OADR
5. TYPED NAME AND ORGANIZATION OF SPECIAL AGENT
6. SIGNATURE OF SPECIAL AGENT
DA
FORM
1 APR 52
341
@U.S. Government Printing Office: 1982-361-646/0220
REPLACES WD AGO FORM 341, 1 JUN 47, WHICH MAY BE USED.
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INTELLIGENCE AND SECURITY
COMMAND
EXHIBIT
COVER SHEET
SUBJECT:
PROJECT FRANCIS
FILE NUMBER:
HU-1071/8404/63
PREPARING UNIT:
AGENT REPORT DATED:
DESCRIPTION:
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IA Label 1
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