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1.
(S/CL-3/NOFORN)
On
211325
March 1984,
source #01
was
interviewed by monitor
#66 concerning the location of
an
individual identified as William F. Buckley. The project 8404
sponsor had provided a photograph of Buckley (see Incl 1).
2.
(S/CL-3/NOFORN)
For this interview source was shown
the
photograph provided
by the sponsor and asked to decribe
Buckley's location.
No other identifying data was provided to
source at the time of the interview but source was aware that
Buckley (name not told to source at this time) was a kidnap
victim. All other intelligence information was withheld for use
as feedback and cuing for possible subsequent interviews.
3.
(U)
A transcript of the interview was prepared (see Incl 2).
4.
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A DA Form 341 (Agent Report) was prepared for the
sponsor .
This report related the salient points of the
interview.
Attached to the report was a
drawing provided by
source (see Incl 3).
Association with the below named individual and Military
Intelligence is CONFIDENTIAL.
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sponsor immediately, or as soon as possible, after the interview.
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#66:
This will ROJ for 3/21/84, time is 1:24 P.M.
Now
plus 10 minutes, we're down 5 points on GSR,
looking to start here pretty quick.
The voltage is
swinging down, microvolts on the left hand are also
swinging down lower. Okay let's walk down close to
the gate now and concentrate, deeper and deeper and
focus your attention on the individual in the
photograph I've shown you. Focus on his location.
Relax now, relax more and more.
That's better,
that's it.
Relax more and more.
Relax, focus on
his location and describe it to me.
#01:
The hallway's bend towards the, closer to the
outside, its like they run along the edges of the
outside walls.
This building's broken up into
suites, sections, exit doors apparently, there is
one exit door on each
.. back section of
building,
going out to the parking area.
. . . (mumble)
£
different
section
now
·
. blocked off suite like areas, three or four
rooms.
#66:
Real time plus 16 minutes, voltage reversal now.
#01:
...
. Larger rooms, ..... there's some people in it,
it's like a .... a large table, mostly around the
table, ... the corridor off to that goes back to the
group of smaller rooms.
.
.. Um, there's only
(mumble) it's like a sterile bedroom, ... just a bed,
table and chair.
And
girl there is ah .. blond hair, dirty blond hair,
she's like talking in the conference room
or
whatever it is, big table.
.
. Guy
in the
corridor sitting in a chair.
#66:
Report the condition, physical, mental condition of
the individual in the photograph I've shown you.
#01:
. Physical condition is not very good.
And
he's not eating anything.
.
..
. emotionally he's
very ... very bad shape, emotionally.
.
.... . He's
convinced that he's not going to make
it.
I
think that's the intension
is that he won't.
#66:
Break that out.
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#01:
I
see
like
ah .. . ah ... ah ... a
certain point they're keeping him ah .. up to, and
then he's just going to be eliminated.
I don't
think there's any intention of ever giving him up.
#66:
This eating situation, is this of his choice or of
the people that have him?
#01:
. It's his
choice.
He's ah ... he's
convinced that's he's not going to make it, that's
why he's given up.
Seems to be some
inference here as well that's he's picked up on,
that he's only good for so many days and they're
just going to eliminate him.
#66:
All right.
If you'll listen to the sound of my
voice for just a moment.
I need to do some more
work with this individual, like you're doing now.
But I need also to go outside and up and look
around.
Do you wish to go outside now and come
back to him later or do you wish to stay in contact
with him?
#01;
Hell, let's deal with him first.
#66:
All right, then. Using all that you know and all
that you understand, move closer and closer to him,
beyond the confines of my ability to move you and
ask him if he knows who these people are, ask him
to tell you who these people are that have him.
#01:
. It's
ah. . . . apparently
it's ah ... joint
operation of two groups of people.
#66:
Report raw data.
#01:
I
get
ah ... spider web appearance of .. different
colors,
(mumbles) (mumble) Southern Europe and
ah .... there's a ah .. meeting of minds where they
come
together, it's like they consortium of
control, where one group doesn't have strength and
the other one might, they support one another.
In
this particular city, evidently there's a sharing
in this between two groups.
#66:
I understand then that the people who have our man
now, are two in nature, there are two groups or two
sets of people that hold him, that have some sort
of agreement?
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#01:
Correct.
Ah .... the stronger of the two is not a
large group, and the weaker of the two is a large
group. It would appear the people there, they're,
. . the majority are from the weaker group.
The
people in charge of the organization of ... of this
ah ... operation .. are very tiny, small select group
but .... very much in power, as far as the group
cohesion.
#66;
All right, now, from your perceptual point, you
getting this information from the individual in the
photograph, or are you seeking this yourself?
#01:
I'm kinda getting this from all over.
#66:
All right.
£
Because this individual
may have a
unique knowledge of these people, I
wish you to
address your questions to him.
I
would like to
know what his opinion, his input is, as to these
captors.
#01:
Real time plus 29 minutes.
#66:
#01:
. Get ah .... there's a ah ...... I don't
know how to explain it.
I get Red Brigade, but
that, I'm not sure if that's overlay, it's coming
in very strong, but it's out of their area.
And
ah .. I get them associated to ... providing unknown
faces and manpower.
The other group I get is some
kind of ah ... quasi political group that's ... based
in extreme Southern Europe. But they're very small
and it's like they're not even known hardly .....
#66:
All right.
Now, before we move outside, ---
#01:
It's got a political name.
It's not like
your typical terrorists organization type names,
its a political name.
#66:
Do you have a phonetic on it?
#01:
. Ah ..... no, but it's a
short word,
less than three syllables, ..... F, it starts with an
F.
. Possible it could be a man's name name.
#66:
Say again.
#01:
Possible it could be a man's name.
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#66:
Okay. Let's let that rest and cook a little bit.
Before we leave this individual to go outside, I
want you to move back close to him, see if we can't
help him in the present crisis he's going through,
give him a little confidence, give him a knowing
that there are those who care for him.
And after
building up a rapport with him,
see
what
information he could give to us which would help us
help him.
#01:
.He doesn't have a lot to offer in
information, he was duped evidently.
He thought
the people he was talking to originally were
different than what they turned out to be.
....
And ah .... tremendous feeling that he still doesn't
know what he's dealing with, ..... other than fair
impression of .... intention on their part.
#66:
Real time plus 35 minutes.
#01:
He doesn't have a lot of things to bolster here,
he's not carrying a lot of energy for himself.
#66:
Why was he taken, what was the reason for picking
him up?
#01:
From his point of view he still doesn't understand
that.
.
. Trying to dig deeper and find the
reason
for
that .... hold
on
just
a minute.
#66:
Let's leave him with some strength to deal with his
situation.
Send him some energy, let's give him
some
strength
to
deal
with
his
present
circumstances.
#01:
Okay .
#66:
Tell him that you know that he was a ranger in the
army. Tell him to grab some of the strength of his
younger years as a ranger.
#01:
Okay
#66:
All right, let's move away from him, up and over
the building and continue on the next mission of
describing the location of the building. Take your
time, I will wait.
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#01:
positions about, .... 5,000 feet centered over this
town, .... running ah ... a slow curve on the .... left
are these buildings slightly into the edge of the
town and
curving away from the town in south,
southeast direction.
I get a sense of heights or
rocks or
cliffs
or
something, (mumble) hills
(mumble). There's a river, runs north, northeast
to the south, southwest, fairly wide, almost in
center of town.
This particular place is
in that one other area, I can describe as a park,
adjacent to the lower edge of the river, it extends
beyond the town, back into the town.
And I keep
getting a "Y" impression like there's a tributary
of
the river that breaks off to the west,
southwest. There's a large section of buildings on
the ah .... east side of the river, is a (mumble)
old square of cobblestone. Adjacent to that in the
north, northwest is a very large church or stately
type building with a dome section.
Say again.
#66:
#01:
A dome section.
It'd be ah. . somewhere else in the
city, a very, very steep, where the city meets the
cliffs or the hills. And there apparently are some
ruins that cut in and out through the rock.
.... Shopping section, stores, here are main center
of stores is directly north and just off the river,
north of the square and I sense that it is between
there and the square that, ... to the east is the
building from which he was taken. .... The building
he's held in now is to the south, southeast, in old
section of buildings.
It's almost up against the
cliffs to the higher heights of the edge of the
town.
#66:
Okay, you've run through several descriptions so
fast that I've lost you, so let's um, .. fixing your
location at the site, then tell me, from the site,
the other things that you can describe. I can work
reverse azimuths later.
From the location, from
the site, then describe to me.
#01:
Just a minute.
. Dead over the site,
and a compass, ... entire eastern side is all cliffs,
rocks or hills, highest heights above the city,
residential
old buildings, narrow
streets,
cobblestone streets many of them, ... all jammed on
the right, the east side. Due west, river above
the "Y" but below the cathedral and the city
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Ah ...... 280 degrees, cathedral, between
the cathedral and the site I'm at is the square,
it's cut diagonally
310 degrees, cuts the center
and the shopping streets.
.Trying
to look for another landmark to the --
#66:
Okay.
#01:
-- It's due north 5 degrees east of due north is a
small circular area that has (mumble) and whatnot,
it's up against the, it's like up against the rock
wall and has statues.
#66:
Which side of the river, on which
#01:
It's on the east.
#66:
You are on the east side of the river?
#01:
That's correct.
#66:
Okay.
. I understand that you are on the
east side of the river up against the hills?
#01:
That's correct.
#66:
Okay, for my verification, describe the area west
of the river.
#01:
Just a minute.
. Very cluttered city,
very modern compared to the east side of the
river. Ah ...... It's just a jumble of everything
all mixed together, there's some industrial shops,
restaurants, residential.
#66:
Okay and beyond the city.
#01:
Ah .... very low
rolling hills, farms.
Mountains
circling .... starting due west all the way around
through the southern part of the compass, up around
to the north, northeast, all mountains standing
just in the distance,
... rather high at that.
#66:
All right, let's go back to the location east of
the river, next to the mountains.
#01:
Okay .
. Residential, it's up against
rocks, cliffs, stonewalls, and these just appear to
be very, very steep.
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#66:
We're at plus 49 minutes, we have voltage reversals
back, that appears to be a memory data, not viewing
data.
#01:
Like in a circular area, something dug out of the
rocks, there's statues in front of it and some park
benches.
#66:
All right.
We have a general idea.
We have
voltage reversals back to normal now, so we feel
that you're processing memory
information
as
opposed to site information.
#01:
Yah, I agree. I'm having a little trouble breathing.
#66:
Okay.
#01
My sinuses.
#66:
We can see electrically when you were falling off
and I think that the only information we can depend
on from what your're reporting, you're coming up in
voltages as I'm talking to you.
Let me back your
frequencies out and get ready to play it back.
I
think that we can depend upon the data concerning
east of the river and up against the mountains.
That appears to be pretty much valid.
It's
a
possibility anyway. Interesting possibility.
Okay
we going to load the bait in here and give you a
little signal to come back now.
#01:
Turn on my light. I'm going to fry my brains with
this light in here. You need to get a rheostat and
give it to Bob as a gift.
#66:
Okay, if you'll just there just a minute while we
watch your voltages. Okay we're at plus 59 minutes.
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2. DATE SUBMITTED
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HU-1070/8404/01
PROJECT FRANCIS
4. REPORT OF FINDINGS
On 21 March 1984, Source 01 was interviewed concerning
SUBJECT.
Source stated in substance as follows:
SUBJECT's physical condition was "not very good." HE had
chosen not to eat.
SUBJECT believed that HE was going to be
held for a certain time and then eliminated. HE may have
learned this from HIS captors.
SUBJECT's abduction was a joint effort of two separate
groups.
The smaller of these groups was the stronger of the
two. There was a sharing (not further identified) in this
city (not further identified) between these two groups.
One
of these groups was similar to the "Red Brigade" (not further
identified) .
The other group was quasi-political, based in
extreme Southern Europe and was not well known.
This group
had a political name, possibly a man's name; it was a short
name, less than three syllables and perhaps began with an F.
Source stated that a river flowed through the city where
SUBJECT was being held.
The river runs north, northeast to
south, southeast.
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SUBJECT was east of the river in
a
residential area up against very steep rocks and cliffs with
many stonewalls
(not . further identified) .
This
was
a
residential area with old buildings and narrow cobblestone
streets. There was a "Y" in the river and a domed church east
of the river.
The entire eastern side of the city was cliffs,
rocks or hills.
Five degrees (not further identified) from
where SUBJECT was being held was a circular area with statues
against a rock wall.
Mountains partially circled the city.
South of the mountains were rolling hills and farms.
West of
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the river, the city was very modern but east of the river
where it was very cluttered, there were residential buildings,
some industrial shops, and restaurants.
Source provided a
drawing of the city attached as EXHIBIT I.
Source was unable to provide any additional information
concerning SUBJECT during this interview.
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Source.
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