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REVIEW ON: May 2000
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CD-29
1. (S)
This report documents a remote viewing session conducted in
compliance with a request from SOD, J3, OJCS, Pentagon, Washington, DC.
The purpose of the session was to provide information relevant to the
hostage situation in Iran.
2. (S) The remote viewer's impressions of the target are provided as
raw intelligence data, and as such have not been subjected to any
intermediate analysis, evaluation or collation. Interpretation and use
of the information provided is the responsibility of the requestor.
3. ( (S) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the document
Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol (S), undated.
4. (S) Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions during the
remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made by the remote viewer
reference his impressions of the target site. At TAB B is target cuing
information provided the remote viewer.
5. (S) The remote viewer felt that there were at least 6 hostages in
building hotel. He identified 3 of them as being: JAMES M. LOPEZ,
KEVIN HERMENING, and GREGORY PERSINGER.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CD-29
SG11
TIME
SG110
#6.5:
This will be a remote viewing session of 30 May 1980
with an on-target time of 0630 hours.
PAUSE
Okay #19.5 it's time to start the session today. I want
you to relax, relax and concentrate on the target for
today. You've been studying the area of the Iranian
compound ... Embassy area. , that building known as building
hotel, building hotel.I want you to relax and focus
your attention on that area known as building hotel.
Move yourself to building hotel. Focus on it and describe
what you see.
PAUSE
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#19.5:
See a row of some kind of consoles with square screens
on 'em. It's hard to tell how many rooms or the separation
of the rooms 'cause there doesn't appear to be any doorways
inside. It's like all different areas are interconnected
with just walk-through openings, and sort of color (phonetic)
type walls. There's like a corner area with a whole bunch
of safes and, and appears to be empty gray book shelves.
There's been alot of books taken. There are like boxes ...
and some kind of wooden crates that have got things packed
in them. I don't, I don't see anyone in these areas.
There's ... looks like a short corridor or something ..
down at one end. It's not really a vault, but it has
the appearance of a vault.
There are two rows of some kind of electronics there.
Feel like there's people in this room.
#6.5:
Tell me about the people.
PAUSE
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#19.5:
Getting kind of a short person. Appears to be beginning
to go bald. Early 50s .... late 40s. Very thin. Large
forehead. Sort of freckled, freckled appearance. Appears
to be a hostage. There's 3, 3 more people with. him.
One has got a ..... has got a heavy black mustache. Very
dark skin. Probably of Mexican descent or Mexican American.
Uh ... Mexico area or something. Dark, dark eyes, dark hair.
Looks like he's lost quite a bit of weight. Perhaps
40 pounds of weight. Maybe 5-9, civilian. See one,
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apparently Marine. He's wearing camouflage pants, and
a ... sort of a beige colored shirt. Very tall; 6-2, sandy
colored hair. Very, very built built; large arms. There's
a, there's another, apparently a Marine. I just get a,
just get a blur of a T-shirt and dog tags for some reason.
It's like some kind of a small computer or something in this!
room as well .... console type computer .... the guts are missing.
Apparently it's been, something has been stripped from this.
There is .... kind of a form of a barricade or something by
the entrance to this, this vault like area. Appears to.
actually looks like safes or something. .. file cabinets.
laying on their sides and stacked in an L shape, and there's
quite a few Iranians here./ Like 6-7 Iranian, Iranian guard
types.
#6.5:
Tell me about the guards #19.5. Tell me about the guards.
#19.5:
They are armed with automatics, but, there's something
different. There's ..... I sense an awful lot of high explosive
material. I, I can't tell what kind. They've got it in
bags they're holding (phonetic) ..... not holding (phonetic)
There is apparently some bags with high explosive material
there with them, and bright, bright light type grenades.
I don't know what they're called.
They are cannisters of
come kind that make bright lights, There are large, white
boxes.
I don't know what those are. They have been shifted
around to form a very narrow pathway that kind of angles
off into the end of this corridor, the end of this hallway.
It's very narrow. You have to turn sideways to walk
between them. It's like they tried to form a narrow access
using these large, metallic white boxes.
There's a section of roof
.. interior roof or something to
this, this vault like area
Maybe it's a .... interior
concrete overhang or something, and there's a heavy
caliber weapon that's mounted there with sandbags. It's
like the inside's very open and they rearranged it so
that it's got all of the height advantages to it. I don't
how to explain that.
#6.5:
Okay. Don't worry.
#19.5:
And, there is some kind of radio equipment there. No,
it's not radio. It's like a field phone apparatus only
it's flat and wide and narrow and has a handset instead
of a regular telephone type thing to it. It's probably
6 parawire running from this. There is ...... another
room adjacent to this vault on the same corridor behind
another stack of, what looks like safes or file cabinets
laying on their sides and it's a stripped office. Like
all the furniture kind of shoved to one gide. I think
there's two, two more hostages in there. ' One is gray,
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gray hair, older person, 56, 57. Umm ..... that's all
I get. I just lost that room, for some reason.
I
think they are both civilians in that room.
That's
all I get get anything else.
#6.5:
Okay. I want you to try and relax now, and refocus your
attention on that first group of hostages that you saw
#19.5 Relax, and focus your attention on them, and study
them very carefully so that you would be able to identify
them later. Focus on that first group.
PAUSE
#19.5:
Hmmm ....... It's like ..... looking at this area the building
is like looking at a ..... actually looking at the exterior
of the building inside of a building. It's like .... it's
very high ceiling there and the interior walls are in such
a fashion that they are not really to the ceiling. It's
like small buildings built inside of buildings.
I don't
know how to explain that. I've got a
PAUSE
#6.5:
I want you to continue to move throughout that building
now #19.5. Continue to move throughout the building, and
#19.5:
It's really, it's been gutted.
.... stripped alot of things
out of there for some reason.
I see alot of ..... looks like
black holes and things. .. like gray gray and metal and
black holes ... square, square .. looks like there are square.
black areas on the gray metal. I keep getting the impression
of railroad track or some kind of metal railroad track.
It's like a mineature railroad track. I don't know what
that is. I don't see anything else in the building.
#6.5:
Okay. I don't have any further questions, then. Do you
have anything else you want to say?
#19.5:
No.
#6.5:
Okay. Why don't you relax, relax and we'll stretch a little
bit, and then we'll do the drawings.
#19.5:
Try to remember it yet
#6.5:
Okay.
We're ready. Let's go ahead and do the drawings
#19.5.
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#19.5:
Okay .
The interior of this thing ..... I got a feeling
like there was an upper ..... this kind of affect ... like
a wall and a section of roof inside and it went like
this, and this was some form of corridor right in here
... went back this way, and there was a door here and
door here kind of affect. Like this. There was like a.
want to get this right ..... door there, I guess. I know
this doesn't make any sense. This is like some kind of
roof beams. There is like either metal safes or file
cabinet type things, stacked like this here, and then
some of it came out this way. They are stacked like
this. There are some that go this way. It's like
they are just stacked for blockage or something in
here. It's going to be a dog ... this mess to straighten
out with a pen, but ... sort of like that. Group 1 on
the hostages is up here, and group 2 of hostages is
here, inside this door. Now there is ...... do you understand
what I'm saying there?
#6.5:
Yes.
#19.5:
Okay .
Now, up here appears to be a bunch of sandbags
stacked in this form.
#6.5:
Okay. I think it might be helpful to label these as what
you said.
#19.5:
Yeah.
I will.
When I darken then I'll
...
#6.5:
Sure.
#19.5: And, there's some kind of a heavy caliber type weapon
up here. Boy, I'll tell you. It's really weird. Now,
this is like a back wall here. Looks like a back wall,
but there's these really large, white metal boxes
I
don't know what they are. Every time I go into this
building I get an impression of that, you know.
Now, that's page 1.
Page 2. I got an impression that in front to bring this
down to a smaller scale. In front of this thing, they
have done this. They put these metal boxes together.
This was looking down like from a top angle. .. so that to
get to this area where the, you know, the gun inplacement
is. ... 30 caliber weapon ... where these two doorways are.
You have to walk this way down through these metal like.
metal boxes and the other things are stacked back up in
here.
#6.5:
Okay. These metal boxes you are referring to, they are
not the same as
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#19.5: No. They are not the same as the file cabinets, or
whatever. They are either metal or wood . . . there are
some kind of big box shapes there, and it's very narrow
in here, you know. Like it's only like it's a foot and
a half, 2 feet wide. So you have to turn sideways to
work your way down in there.
#6.5:
This place with the gun inplacement is, where you have
this heavy weapon that's on the top of what.
#19.5:
That's on the top of this roof section. I don't know
what that is. It's like an overhang type section
inside the building. This being the primary roof area
up here. I don't understand that, but I get the feeling
like there's a cubical type building on the interior
of this building. Like an alcove type thing building
there. I don't really know what I'm saying. It's just
what it looks like.
#6.5:
Well, you've got some kind of room within a room.
#19.5:
Yeah. Exactly.
#6.5:
But, this is much smaller.
#19.5:
That's the impression I get. It's a room within a room.
It's like maybe they moved crates or something in here.
Great big large wood crates to do this with. But I got
that impression. Again, this being area 1, this area 2.
page 3. What else would you like?
#6.5:
Tell me more about this .... what appeared to be electronics.
#19.5:
First I got ..... I'm going to do it all on page 3. I'll
section it off. First I got an impression of a continuing
L shaped thing that went like this and colors orange, and
green and it was like a square screen right here ....
That kind of affect. I felt like these were some kind of
consoles. And then another time I got an impression of
some kind of standing ...... these were in one of the rooms
that the hostages are in ... a thing that looked like this.
Like a matrix of squares with just lights, you know, lights
on the front and that was ..... we'll call the first one
an A, the second one B, and B was in one of the rooms
with the hostages. Then I got an impression of what looked
like some kind of small set of railroad tracks that went
in a Y shape, like this ..... somewhere in the room ..
like mineature size. Call that C. And then there .... oh,
then they had some kind of handset, field phone type
system that they are using. It looked like this. A block
of tago (phonetic) switches. It had some patches like
this with some cords coming out. It looked like it had
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six wires coming out the back. There was a ..... one of
these type handsets with push type button on the back.
Some kind of ..... we'll call it an intercom for lack of
better ..... and that's D. Seems like there was something
else I saw in there. Oh. I got an impression of ..
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this kind of thing .... like gray metal facing, gray metallic
facing with black holes in it. That sort of affect. We'll
call that E. I don't know what any of that stuff is.
#6.5:
Okay. How did you feel about the situation the hostages
found themselves in?
#19.5:
I don't get any feelings at all from the hostages. You
know. It's like, it's like I'm a very remote observer
this time, for some reason.
I just don't get anything
at all.
#6.5:
Okay. Where were the Iranian guards that you saw?
#19.5:
. They were all down in this area. I'll mark it on 1 and 2
as area 3.
#6.5:
So they are down in the area 3, huh.
#19.5:
Yeah.
#6.5:
How were they controlling the movement of the hostages?
#19.5:
I didn't see anybody moving.
You know.
There was like
very little activity.
#6.5:
Well, what would prevent the hostages in area 2, for
instances, to go to area ...... you got two area 3s here?
#19.5:
Yeah. They were on top of this overhang, and they were
under the overhang.
#6.5:
Okay. But, .... get back to my question, how would the
hostages in area 2 be prevented from going over to area 1?
#19.5:
Well, they are two separate rooms, and they would have
to go through the area occupied by the guards to do that.
#6.5:
They weren't locked in those rooms, were they?
#19.5:
No. I didn't get a feeling for any doors at all, and I
can't, I call this whole overhang area a vault type affect.
I get this vault type affect, but I don't see any doors
here, for some reason.
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#6.5:
All right. Is there anything else you want to add?
#19.5:
Nope.
#6.5:
Okay. Let me ... we'll take a little break now, and get
some photographs.
Okay #19.5 I gave you an opportunity to look at several
photographs that we have. As a result of that you have
been able to identify some people here. Now, let's take
this first one right here and tell me what you think about
him.
#19.5:
Uh ...... Persinger, Gregory Persinger I see as being the
very large, strong Marine, that I saw. The first. Marine
that I saw, and Kevin Hermening is the second Marine that
I saw. Feel like he's a Marine. Uh ... James M. Lopez is
the dark complexion Mexican, American that I saw, only
he's got a mustache now. He's no longer clean shaven.
I
didn't see in any of the photographs the thinner person.
The smaller person with the balding head.
#6.5:
Okay. Very good. How confident do you feel in these
3 individuals that you have identified?
#19.5:
Very confident. Really confident.
#6.5:
Okay. Very good.
Have you anything else that you would
like to add?
#19.5:
No.
#6.5:
Okay.
Thank you very much.
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HEAVY.
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METAL
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TARGET CUING INFORMATION
REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CD-29
1. (S)
The viewer has been exposed to open source news media information
as well as classified overhead'imagery and numerous photographs of hostage
personnel. He knew he would be working against the hostage situation in
Iran.
2.
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At the time of the session the remote viewer was shown an annotatel
overhead photograph which was labeled "Bldg Hotel." The photo is not
included herein due to its classification. The viewer was asked to go
to the annotated building and determine if there were any hostages held
at this location.
3.
(S) The remote viewer had been briefed on the current status of the
hostage situation and told that the whereabouts of the hostages was not
known.
The viewer had been targeted against "Bldg Hotel" about one month
ago.
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