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GRILL FLAME
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SESSION REPORT
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REVIEW ON: 31 JAN 2000
EXTENDED BY :
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REASON:
2-301c (3 & 6)
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SUMMARY ANALYSIS
REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION
CC 59
1. (S) This report documents a Remote Viewing (RV) session
conducted in compliance with a request from SOD, J3, OJCS,
Pentagon, Washington, D.C. The purpose of the session was
to provide information relevant to the hostage situation in
the U.S. Embassy compound in Teheran, Iran.
2. (S) The remote viewer's impressions of the target are
provided as raw intelligence data and as such have not been
subjected to any intermediate analysis, evaluation or collation.
Interpretation and use of the information provided is the
responsibility of the requestor.
3. (S) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the
document, Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing
Protocol (S), undated.
4. (S) Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions
during the remote viewing session.
At TAB A are drawings made
by the remote viewer reference his impressions of the target
site. At TAB B is target cueing information provided the
remote viewer.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CC59
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#66
This will be a remote viewing session (edited for
security).
PAUSE
For the past few minutes you've looked at a
photograph of an area. Relax and concentrate now.
Relax and focus your attention on the area
designated to you as Area I. Focus your attention
on Area I. Move to Area I. Relax and concentrate,
and describe the area to me.
PAUSE
#8
I'm over it.
#66
OK
PAUSE
Move down on the ground now. Face the building and
describe the scene to me.
PAUSE
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#8
Two story building.'
#66
OK.
PAUSE
#8
Kind of ... ah .. (mumble) ...
#66
All right. Try to speak up just a little bit.
#8
Yellowish-white. There's a little. . . ah. . a little ...
ah ... dark attachment to the right wing. Ah ... it
looks like a ... a garage or a tool/shed or something
of that nature. I get the impression it's a very ...
ah ... busy building.
Motor fare ?
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OK. Tell me about what is it that gives you this
impression?
#8
People ... a lot of people.
#66
OK. Tell me the activity of these people.
#8
Like they don't really belong (mumble).
#66
What is your position of observation now?
#8
Kind of ... ah ... getting the whole feel ... feel of the
building.
#66
OK. Just relax and concentrate for a minute on your
perspective. Don't report anything to me for just a
minute, just relax and concentrate on the target for
a minute.
#8
(Mumble).
#66
I didn't understand you.
#8
Inside or out?
#66
Inside. Focus inside. Just relax, concentrate,
focus inside. Don't report anything for a minute,
just relax and concentrate.
PAUSE
Alright, now report your perception.
#8
OK. Kind of a tall, wooden walls. Shinny, round,
wooden walls.
PAUSE
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#66
Search the interior area for people.
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#8
(Mumble). Mumble ... people on the corridor ...
mumble.
#66
Who are these people?
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#8
They're Arabic. They ... ah. .. like they're conducting ...
ah ... official business from one office to another.
I ... ah ... get the impression there's. . . ah ... there's
somebody different upstairs.
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#66
Move upstairs.
#8
There's somebody there. Next to the last room on the
left; I think that's the guy I was looking for before.
#66
Describe the room to me.
PAUSE
#8
I think it should have been a small office room ...
that's converted. (Mumble) It's got ah. .. very high
walls. The bottom half, that's the lower half
(mumble) if it's in wood and the upper two thirds of
the wall is like ah ... yellow-white paint; there's
something recessed in the walls, there's no pictures
but the wall kinds of ... kind of recessed and its ...
ah ...
#66
OK. Is this room occupied?
#8
Yea, yea ... yea.
I think this the guy. . . ah .. . I was
supposed to find the other time.
#66
OK. Move to the next room down the hall.
#8
OK. There's only one room next to him on the left,
I see it as empty.
#66
OK. And going the other way down the hall?
#8
It's occupied but there's nobody there right now.
Malcom
Kalyp
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#66
Go on down the hall.
#8
Yea.
Yea, there's. .. ah. . . there's that tall, that
bald man again there. There's four or five guys
being kept there. Again, they're in separate
rooms.
Getting the impression they're issolated
from one another; skip one room and occupy the
other and so on. Fact there's more than five,
there's ... there's eight or something. I can't
count individually but there's about eight.
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OK. Is that ... are these eight people confined to
this one hallway area of the building?
#8
In the rooms ... in the rooms.
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#66
Alright. Move on down the hallway through to
different areas of the building looking for more
people.
PAUSE
#8
Mumble ... people in the wings. They're in the.
they're in two's and three's.
#66
I didn't understand you.
#8
They're in two's and three's.
#66
Where are these wings in the greater building idea?
#8
Mumble ... it's the right wing.
#66
What floor?
#8
Second.
#66
How many people are there?
#8
A bunch.
The ones in the front room are issolated,
alright. The ones in the wings are in clusters of
two's and three's.
#66
OK.
#8
Mumble ... I ... mumble ... gets the impression of ...
mumble ... number.
#66
Examine now, in your mind's eye, examine the people
in both areas. What is the difference between these
people?
#8
The rooms in front more important that the ones in
the sides.
#66
I didn't understand what you said.
#8
They're more important ... they've been selected.
they're more important that the ones on the side.
#66
Alright.
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(Mumble) Those are the ... ah ... seven or eight in
front.
#66
Seven or eight in the front.
#8
Yes.
#66
Alright.
#8
(Mumble)
A diplomat, sort of speak.
#66
And how many in the right hand wing?
#8
This is where they seem ... this is where they're
in two's and three's. (Mumble)
#66
I didn't understand you.
#8
I'm trying to make it out.
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#66
OK. Work on it for a minute, I will wait.
PAUSE
#8
I think you ... mumble ... a dozen in each wing.
About a dozen in each wing.
#66
#8
#66
OK. Now, for the next few minutes ... for the
next few minutes I don't want you to report to
me because I want your total concentration on
the target. For the next few minutes, don't
report to me, your job is to look closely at as
many individuals as you can; look so closely at
these individuals so that you can recognize their
picture later. Do this nov.
PAUSE
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Alright, how are you doing?
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Tell me what you've been doing.
#8
I've been looking around.
#66
And what have you found?
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The only people are in the middle wing and the
right wing. (Mumble) ... with a couple of women,
it's on the left ... mumble ... there's still some
people in the front corridor or issolated.
Mumble ... singles. There's one ... one room
remaining empty in the area between them.
#66
OK. At this time remember those people you have
seen, remember them very clearly so that you can
identify them in pictures later. At this time I
have no further questions about this target. I
would like you ... provide you the opportunity now
to add anything you'ld like to say about this
target before we draw the perceptions that you've
had.
PAUSE
Is there anything you'ld like to add, do so now.
PAUSE
#8
No.
#66
OK, fine. Move you arms and move your legs,
stretch, sit up and let's draw impressions that
you've had.
#8
Ok
From the front, it looks like long two story
building, several windows ... ah ... and both the
first floor and top floor ... ah ... normal windows,
cause I've seen others, the long, narrow types,
this wasn't it at all. OK, went I went inside,
on the first floor I got the impression of tall,
wooden walls, like ... almost like dark colored,
shinny walls ... ah ... like brown mahogony, very,
very shinny, UK, and there was activity in there,
I saw something, got the impression of seeing six
or eight people from one office to the next con-
ducting their official business there.
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#66
And who were these people?
#8
They appeared to me to be Arabic people as opposed
What I found or what I thought I saw on the second
floor which were definitely different.
#66
OK.
#8
OK. And I also saw In this second chart this
little garage annex, it's kind of different because
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it was painted different, it was dark and inside
was like a work shop or a garage; there was tools
and. .. ah. .. ah ... not finished inside so, OK, and
it's tied on to this ... this ... what I think is the
right wing of the building. From the top view I
saw again three wings. OK. And these were ...
I'll put 0's for what I though were the empty
rooms and ... mumble ... those the ones that were ...
ah ... when there was a body in the room.
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#66
OK.
So .. so in ah ... we're gonna work off of two
here or three?
#8
Ah ... let's work off three.
#66
OK
In Drawing 3 then, uhm ... this will
be
upstairs.
#8
Yes,
second floor.
#66
OK.
#8
Let me put this down here.
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And you're gonna those rooms upstairs and try to
put the relative position in the building in
there.
#8
Yes. OK. I'll draw a circle for empty room from
the impression that I got for an empty room and
I'll put an X on occupied room. Ok, so I started
here, then I had ... a occupied room.
#66
You know, these X's, are they inside or outside
the building?
#8
Inside ... inside. I can draw some other lines here.
#66
No, I'd say this is the building here, and what's
this out here.
#8
Yes. Let me put X's. .. the 0's and X's inside then
ahm ... make my rooms this way.
#66
I see, OK. Now I understand what you're saying.
I couldn't see from your drawing which was the
inside and outside. Now you're putting room
divider things ...
#8
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OK, fine.
#8
OK.
#66
And you felt this was upstairs?
#8
Yea, the only reason I wanted to do it the other
way was because there was a wall here, you see,
and there's another wall here and I don't quite
understand because this seemed like looking
outside and I ... I can't figure it out.
#66
OK.
#8
OK. But that first room was empty; that second
room was occupied by, I believe, that guy I was
supposed to see the other night in the session
here. This was ... this was a third room, I get
the impression it was supposed to be occupied;
it is occupied but there wasn't anyone there, OK,
and then it went on and I got that there was
someone here; that's the half bald headed man and
here I couldn't make it out but it ... it kind of
skipped one room and then you had a person, skip
one room, had a person so that you had a total of
about eight persons in this front session ...
section here, OK. Then, in these rooms, something
like this, what you had there were all occupancies
but in some case you had two and three people in
here, OK. In this wing, around here someplace,
I was looking for something ... mumble ... I could put
my finger on and I thought I saw two ladies in
here someplace. Ah ... this is loaded with people,
either in two and three's; same thing here.
(Mumble) ... I had a bunch of people by the time I}
finished.
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OK.
Now I want you to write in here for the
person looking at this drawing then ... like draw
an arrow here and say possibly two or three people
to the room here and then possibly the women over
here, that way they can look at the drawing and
see.
#8
This is approximate, I don't know which room they
were in but they were definitely ... mumble ... the
first rooms, they were probably in the second or
third room from the rear of the building.
#66
OK.
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And I don't know if I can remember all those faces
when you show me the pictures.
#66
OK.
#8
Yea. OK, so in the middle section on the second
story of that building I got the impression that
the younger people to include the Marines were
quartered in that area, OK, and I'll reiterate, I
thought I saw the important people ... what I ...
what ... they seemed important were in the front
portion of the annex ... the right annex were the. ..
possibly the two ladies were in the right annex
and then there were some other personnel, in most
cases two to a room, sometimes three, and same
thing here ... same thing here. Doubled up personnel,
two to a room or maybe three
#66
Alright. Now, what's your impression of the
total number you think that are ...
#8
It exceeds the 40's.
#66
I didn't understand.
#8
It exceeds the 40's.
#66
OK.
#8
I thought the whole crew was there.
#66
Think there's a lot of people there?
#8
Yes. I ended up with that impression, I started
with very few and then I started looking to the
rooms and you told me to start looking into the
rooms and the more I looked the more people I
found and I kept finding more ... more and more
people.
#66
OK. Good.
#8
But this room No. 2 I think is the guy that you
wanted me to find the other day that was ... that
was a very vivid impression. And another very,
very vivid impression was next to this room
there was ... should have been occupied but there
was nobody there, next to that room, in room No. 4
here on this sketch is that half bald headed man
which I keep seeing on and off for some reason.
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OK.
#8
OK. And I was looking for the bearded guy but I'm
not too sure. I'm not sure.
#66
OK.
Is there anything you want to add then?
#8
No.
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OK #8, during the session then you felt that there
were several people that you might be able to
identify. What I'ld like to do now is have you
look at some photographs that I have and see if
you can come up with any that looks like that ones
that you have. We'll put this on a pause mode
while we look over the photos and then we'll come
back on for the record afterwards. OK?
#8
OK.
#6.5
OK, we're back on live here sort of speak. OK, in
reference to your Drawing No. 3, where you have
indicated that some possible hostages were in
different rooms, in room #2, you have identified
and feel pretty good about this photo that I'm
holding and on the back of it and you haven't seen
these names.
#8
I've seen Kalp's name before.
#6.5
Yea, but not on this ... today, OK. You've seen
his name before, his name is Malcolm Kalp and is
that who you feel is in that room?
#8
Yea. I got more ... a better, more vivid impression of
him because I was looking for him before
#6.5
OK, anything special you wanna say about him?
#8
Yea, I had about five minutes at the end of the
session to look around and look into the rooms
and ... ah ... I was trying to make him feel at ease
or trying to communicate with him and ... ah ... this
seemed as if it lasted a split second but I'm
sure it was more ... longer than that on tape, and ...
ah ... ah ... I got the first expression was
Barbarosa; either I gave it to him or he gave it
to me and then it ended up Barbara and ... and ...
ah ... it seemed this something we agreed on; I was
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trying to get the impression across to him that he
wasn't going off his noodle or anything, that this
was a way of getting to him and he seemed very
level headed mentally, so I gave it a try.
#6.5
OK.
Good. OK, in the room that's marked Room 4 on
that same diagram, and there was another individual
in there, and you were less certain about this one
I understand, that you identified someone that
looks like William E. Belk.
#8
Yea.
#6.5
Any other comments.
#8
Again, I identified him only because of the ...
mainly because he was tall, the hair line, it's not
the first time I got the impression of a ... what I
been defining as a half bald headed man, his hair
line is receeding from his head so there's a ...
less certainty than Kalp but that's an impression
there.
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OK. And then on your diagram on the room with an
X mark, possible two women. You've looked at all
the photographs that we had and you've identified
one as possibly, and I use the word possibly so
correct me if I'm wrong, being Ann Swift, also known
as Elizabeth Swift, I guess. OK. And these are her
photos, anything you want to say about those.
#8
Yea. The reason I identified those is because of
the hairdos; the impressions I got when I looked
into that room that there was a younger. .. ah ...
women ... ah ... mid, late 20's with a black hair style
falling on either side of the face and there was a
taller ... ah ... older women in her early, mid-30's,
that's not very old ...
#6.5
Yea, watch yourself.
#8
Ah ... with lighter hair ... with much lighter hair ...
ah ... going up over her head and that's as ... that's
as close as what I can see.
#6.5
The last one you were describing ... that would be
Ann Swift, OK.
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Yea, the shorter, younger, darker haired girl ... this
one here.
#6.5
Wait ... wait a second, you just confused me.
#8
First one was short, dark, haired ...
#6.5
OK, these two are the same person?
#8
These two are the same person ... that's not it then.
#6.5
OK
#8
This one I can identify with, (mumble) the other
one.
#6.5
OK. I'm gonna get that. This ... and I'm try to
show you ... this is the old photograph that we were
given and this is ...
#8
No ... this is what I saw ... I didn't see that.
#6.5
You didn't see this ... (mumble) ... that's very
interesting. OK. Now, for the record we'll make
sure that we give both copies. Good luck on
trying to get a copy of this thing, right. . OK.
OK, now the other one that you have identified as
possibly being in there was the younger one?
#8
Yes.
#6.5
OK, now for the record ... ah ... show that he has
picked out the daughter, of looking like the
daughter of COL Holland, OK. That's OK. So go
ahead and tell us about that.
#8
OK. The reason that I picked her is because she
was ... she was the younger of the two and because
of her hairdo, mainly; the general facial
features, but mainly the hairdo where the dark
hair fell on ... evenly on both sides of the face.
OK, and ... ah ... among that entire corridor was ...
it ... it sort of jumped out at me that there were
a couple of women in there, that's why I gave a
little bit more.
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OK, since there are two women in the photograph of
the. .. ah ... Holland family, the lone in question that
he's ... ah .. said looks like is the one that is next
to the. . . ah. .. ah.
„.young male member of the Holland
family.
#8
Let's see ... ah ... that's second from the left, yea.
#6.5
OK. So that otta put identification on that. OK,
very good. You have anything else you wanna say
about the ... ah ... identification of any of the
other hostages.
#8
No.
#6.5
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Very good. That'll be it.
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TARGET CUING INFORMATION
REMOVE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CC59
1. (S) The viewer has been exposed to open source news media
information, classified overhead imagery and photographs of many
of the hostage personnel. He knew he would be working against
the hostage situation in Iran.
2. (S) At the time of the session, the viewer was asked to
describe an area referred to as Area "I." He was shown overhead
imagery of the US Embassy compound in Teheran, Iran. The area
designated as Area "I" was pointed out to the viewer by the
interviewer.
The imagery is not included herein due to its
classification.
3. (S) The viewer had not worked against this target in the
past. The viewer was not told anything about the area he was
trying to describe except for its letter designation.
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