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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DCC-03
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(S/NOFORN)
This report documents a remote viewing session conducted in
compliance with a request for information on an individual identified as
2. (S/NOFORN) The remote viewer's impressions of the target are provided
as raw intelligence data, and as such, have not been subjected to any
intermediate analysis, evaluation or collation. Interpretation and use of
the information provided is the responsibility of the requestor.
3. (S/NOFORN) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the document
Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol (S), undated.
4. (S/NOFORN) Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions during
the remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made by the remote viewer
reference his impressions of the target site. At TAB B is target cuing
information provided the remote viewer.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DCC-03
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#66:
This will be a remote viewing session for 1000 hours,
24 March 1981.
SG1B
This will be a pre-session briefing to the remote viewer.
This morning we are going to be working towards a target
which we have worked previously. . I'm going to be asking
SG1B
you to locate a
Let me tell you about him again to refresh your memory.
He is a very high official in the
chief of one of
SG1B
SG1B
their
He's about 53 years old, 6 feet,
175 pounds. His most distinguishing characteristic is
that he is very stoop shouldered. His hair is light and
smoothly combed back, with a receding hairline. He has a
SG1B
beak like nose and wears reading glasses.
A
SG1B
Want you to focus your attention on him
and locate him in his surroundings at the exact time of the
session, which would be about. 6 in the evening there. Ten
o'clock in the morning here, but 6 in the evening in
Do you have any questions before we begin the session?
SG1B
#07:
No.
#66:
All right, then. You have 25 minutes to prepare yourself.
Relax now.
Relax:
Relax and focus your attention solely
SG1B
6 o'clock in the evening,
SG1B
SG1B Focus on
perceptions to me.
.
.and describe your
PAUSE
#07:
I .... I've got a close-up of a ... pencil writing on paper ...
notepad .. Theangle ... a leftie ....
PAUSE
#07:
Tried to read it .. but this. . have this ... other scene interrupted ...
I can talk about that later but I, I'll go back and try to
get, uh, under
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I, uh ... I had a feeling that
has some problems ..
physical ...
I think he thinks his problem is his heart ...
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Doesn't like heights ... Got image of ... looked like a,
a park to honor someone ... circular with, circular masonry
with tall, round masonry tower with statue. I was getting
close-up of that from very close to statue. All of a sudden
zooms straight up several hundred feet very fast. Could see
whole. park and city round, but I don't like this damned
altitude.
SG1B
SG1B
SG1B
#66:
Let's focus now on
, focus. now on
SG1B
your experience to me and not your conclusions.
Remember
SG1B
now,
Tell me about-
#07:
My experience is ... I over anarea with trees and statues.
I can see buildings over there ...
SG1B
#66:
Think now only of
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#07:
Headquarters
Yeah, it's the headquarters building.
Office scene.
. dark interior, predominantly brown ....
At desk alone
SG1B
#66:
Now, now relax and focus.
Now that we have him, relax and
focus on
Focus now, relax and focus on him.
Focus now. That's better.
Now tell me about
SG1B
SG1B
#07:
I, I, I've got a ... some writing, wall staring, doodles ...
tryin' to ... trying to pin concepts together ..
It's easier ..
everybody's gone ... There's three people outside this office
that .. impatient for him to leave ...
#66:
Focus on
SG1B
#07:
He is .... keeps looking up at it .... some kind of board on a
tri-pod over there ...
SG1B
#66:
While he's involved in his present activity, while he is
involved in his present activity, move even closer. to
SG1B
and deal with him in a more direct manner.
Have
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explain his job to you, not his present
activity, but his job to you.
#07:
Okay, I'm gonna try ... establish contact.
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#66:
I will wait.
PAUSE
#07:
Okay I ... check in. Uh, I'm having trouble because I told
him that I could help him if he'd just explain it to me.
Help him get over this rough spot. But imagery keeps flying
at me every time I ask him and ... I pursue it, thinking. that's
what he's trying to tell me. And I ... getting confused.
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I come back to ask him again and I .. fly off on another
tangent. I gotta get closer.
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#66:
Tell him of. your experience, and ask him to explain in a way
that you can understand.
PAUSE
#07:
Let me get rid of this. Maybe I can get rid of it.
Repeatedly I get this scene of rushing through the inside of
the curving tube of unknown dimensions. It curves to the
right and the left .and up and down and I feel like I'm moving
through it very fast and banking as the turn goes to the
right or left. Like a high speed roller coaster inside of a
tube. I keep throwing it out as garbage and it keeps coming
back and last concept of that was. . he was trying to lead me
literally through .. his problem. And I'm not understanding.
#66:
All right.
#07:
Gonna try again but I wanna get rid of that-
#66:
All right, fine. Just relax for a minute.
#07:
-tube.
SG1B
#66:
Just relax for a minute. You can use this tube. Hold in
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your mind only the though of
Hold in your mind only that thought. And move down the tube,
for at the end of the tube is
Go ahead
SG1B
and move down the tube and I will wait.
PAUSE
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#07:
I'm not sure I wanna report this
SG1B
Tell me of your experience as you focused on
#66:
SG1B
#07:
Came bursting out of the tube into light ....
Just skip this
and go to the ... I don't want to talk about this ...
I asked .. the being that I assume is Hawk, I mean.
to let me help him, make it possible ... to use graphics,
bring me up fast.
SG1B
#66:
All right. All right.
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#07:
I suddenly ... big TV screen up there on his left. Started
seeing big, white ground to air missiles swinging into
position. I could suddenly see ... I could see, actually see
radar energy sweeping the globe and overlapping, diminishing
in power with distance .. I could see quick flashes of other
forms of defense, like damn big checkerboard, uh, chess,
chess. Gotta think of all positions. Keep, keep all
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positions viable and effective, protecting all forms.
There is little difference between offensive and defensive ..
It depends on situation, concept. But he shouldn't.
I see huge, monstrous globe ... I see giant network of some
type emanating from two different positions right now, over-
lapping. I don't know if this is a communications, monitoring
control, graphic, graphics ...
#66:
Ask
to go on.
SG1B
#07:
I'm sorry, what was that?
#66:
Ask
to go on, to continue
..
#07:
Just a minute. Somethin' happened and I got a black screen.
Goddamnit! His train of thought keep momentarily flicking
to personal things. I just saw a ... I guess it was a family
member.
I ... he's tryin' to explain something to me that
looks like a, a, a big hand and a armoured gauntlet around
the handle of a big sword that is. encapsulated in a protect-
ive cacoon like moth-balled ships. I'm trying not to try
and analyze that ...
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SG1B
I'm getting very strong indications that
thinks
like a strategist, trying to pull in information, all kinds
of concepts and weave them into a logical offensive, defensive
network. . Not, feel he's not in charge of this, but is one
of several working on this concept. To tighten up.
#66:
One of several working on a concept.
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#07:
Working on a concept of deployment of ... offensive-defensive
network of weapons and monitoring systems, so that each has,
each little unit has a better understanding of their position
in the total network and how they affect and interface with
other units of ... I'm seeing a total ... monitoring network
when tied into a giant ... weapons network. I get flashes of
giant, thousands of tanks somewhere. Just flashes of batches
here and there and there, but there's lots and lots and lots
of ... missiles.
#66:
Okay .
#07:
And this screen keeps, uh .... flashing.
#66:
Okay.
#07:
Seems to be capable of extreme detail and understanding.
different weapons systems, state of the art concepts, but
today he seems to be working on many, many systems, and they
all seem to be equally strong in his interests at this moment.
Like maybe he's some type of strategist, planner, tryin' to
understand the whole chessboard .. use each piece to the fullest
extent of its capability.
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#66:
Okay. . Now I have no further questions about
therefore I would like you, to give you
SG1B
a few minutes. to deal with him on a personal. basis and
explore as you see fit and then bid him adieu, thank him,
and we will prepare to draw. You now have a few minutes to
do this.
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#07:
Do you want me to try and set up conditions where I can talk
more easily to him in the future?
#66:
Yes. I will wait.
PAUSE
#66:
Okay .
Move your arms and move your legs, take a few deep
breaths, and let's prepare to draw the images that you have
had.
#07:
Okay. Okay, uh, I came on the scene with a very close-up
of a, I think it was a left hand writing on a pad at a office
at a desk. And, uh, I think my face was about 6 inches from
the top of the pencil. Uh, I found I could see some of the
letters, but realized I couldn't read
and had some
problem with that. In trying to relate to him and find out
what his job was I noticed that he was looking up at some-
thing and I saw some graphics on a tri-pod about 8 or 10
feet across the room.
It had some colors and bands and what-
have-you I didn't understand. Uh, in trying to establish
contact with him I somehow got the feeling that he was worried
or had a problem with his heart. And then things went off
kind of in a daydream and I found myself outside, uh, not. too
far from
headquarters in, um, a park that I felt had been
established for some kinda hero or something, Some important
person.
SG1B
SG1B
Uh, in the park was a large circular masonry area with walk-
ways leading to it, which I've shown in drawing number one.
And a very tall pedestal, uh, with a, an image of a statue
of a human being on top of it. Uh, it's probably not impor-
tant, but at that time I felt myself zooming up away from
that very, very fast. It's a very frightening experience.
And I found myself asking myself whether he was trying to
tell me that he had problems with altitude. And I felt that,
you know, it's not me because altitude doesn't bother me at
all. But I felt that he was very frightened. I started to
questions this, and I thought I better not touch it and I
left it alone.
At this point I wondered why the park was important or why I
found myself there, uh, and I started looking around and I
saw a very large building which I thought was
headquarters,
off some distance away. This was from my position at some
altitude above the, uh, the statue.
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#07:
Uh, at that point you directed me to concentrate on, uh,
the General. and try and get closer to him and to find out
what his job was. Uh, I was able to establish eye contact
and I felt I had rapport and I asked a question. And while
I'm concentrating, trying to find out how he's going to give
me the answer I found myself looking down a long curving tube
that sometimes had things like railroad tracks in it, it was
looping like the .. like a rolly coaster inside of an enclosed
tube. It was running down under ground, to the right and
the left and up and down and there was times I felt I was
moving very fast. I thought it was some kind of fantasy or
hallucination or something and I'd shake it off and come
back and ask a question again and I'd see one or two abstrac
images and go off down the tube. again. But it would be
different color, different size. This bothered me and I
tried to figure out momentarily whether maybe I was inside of
something as small as electronics and running around through
the electronics or whether I was actually in something as big
as a underground train, uh, going from city to city or some-
thing. I realized I was analyzing and dumped that. And I
believe when I tried to get rid of it so I could get it out
of my mind and get away from it I believe I told you about it.
#66:
That's correct.
#07:
And I believe I mentioned I was tryin' to get away from it
and you told me to use it and go down the tube, follow it all
the way to the end and I would find, uh, the General.
I
tried that and it was a very hairy emotional, uh, physically
stimulating experience. And I found myself questioning
whether I should be doing this or not. And about that time
I, uh, broke out into what I think, uh, could best be described
as, as a feeling of a reality .. Uh, there was no more feeling
of motion or speed, uh, it's just that- oh, he's right!
I'm here. It happened. Uh, I found myself in the presense
of a being that was symbolic of this General. And after I
got used to the idea and realized that this was he I started
trying to establish contact and rapport and I found myself
promising things that made me feel uneasy, trying to convey
that I was a friend and it was all right to share ideas with
me.
Uh, I don't know if it's important or not but at this time I
little bit panicky and tried to back off and reword my
promises so that they weren't ... they weren't demanding on me
in the future. Uh, and about that time he looked to his left
and up towards the ceiling at a TV and it came on and there
was all kinds of beautiful graphics, uh, conveying concepts
that I may or may not have interpreted. A very crude drawing
of the scene I just described is in drawing number two with
the General sitting at the desk and the TV, uh, near the top
center of the, uh, the drawing.
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#07:
Uh, there was times while we were .. incidentally, this
resulted from my asking him to explain to me very quickly
what his problem was and what he was working on so that.I
could help him get through a sticky point that he was, uh,
having at that point. And, uh, when I started looking at
the screen I lost sight of the TV itself and started seeing
graphics. as a total scene, not as looking at a TV screen in
the room. And basically I was seeing very fast, rapid cuts
of, uh, sophisticated weaponry, uh, but first I thought
primarily defensive. And then I saw a overlapping fans of a
radar encompassing a globe. Uh, there was times I could see
the total sphere, and there was times I could see only a
portion of the curved, uh, horizon.
Uh, and then I felt that he was trying to convey to me that
something about defense and offense, uh, as he looked at it
being the same thing. But, uh, it was the same weaponry, it
was the same concepts and only the commander knew whether it
was defensive or offensive. But I felt that he leaned more
strongly towards the offense being defensive. And I'm not
sure I understand that. But he also felt that the troops
didn't need to understand that.
Uh, there was a point where this giant globe with all of the,
these positions of units spread around the globe of weaponry
and monitoring systems, communications systems, uh, all seem
to have equal importance, nothing being dominant. As though
he were able to think of the total concept and not, uh, be
highly specialized. And I questioned this at that because I
had previously talked to this gentleman and he was deeply
into something that particular day that was very specialized.
And I felt that he received many briefings and observed many
demonstrations on the state of the art equipments. And then
he came back and did work as a strategist, a planner, uh,
trying to utilize all of these concepts as efficiently as
possible, uh, and as effectively as possible without leaving
any voids or vulnerability, areas of vulnerability.
Uh, once I saw what was happening here this even disturbed
me because I was afraid I might be taking the word General
and saying, yeah this is what all Generals do. This really
bothered me. Uh, but I got over that because I felt that
Generals primarily to command to attack to utilize these
things, rather than set up the concept. So I became more com-
fortable with that. And that, can remember I think that's
basically about, uh, as much as I got out of it.
#66:
Tell me a little bit more about these graphics of the globes
and how they appeared to you.
#07:
Uh ... there was, it'd be like 35mm slide cuts, a flash on,
was a very quickly, uh, weaponry, some of which I recognized.
Uh, I get a cut of a thousands of tanks. And I'd get a
flash of a globe and I'd see, you know, something indicated
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they were over here on this portion of the globe and I'd
get a flash of another batch and I'd see a mountain and
something and all of a sudden a globe way around over here.
As though there were tanks and weaponry spread at different
strategic points.
Oh, there was another thing that I think was symbolic that I
may or may not have stated, but I saw a, an ancient armoured
gauntlet, uh, like a part of a piece of ancient armour, a
human armour, that was grasping a sword. And it was encapsul-
ated in a cacoon like shape, like we use to moth-ball our
ships. And I instantly had the feeling that there were, there
was weaponry somewhere, kinda moth-balled, waiting, uh, not
being manned now, but waiting in readiness that would be
manned. I may or may not have mentioned that, I-
#66:
Okay.
#07:
-thought it was important. But it was like a symbolic sort
of thing.
#66:
Okay.
#07:
The graphics were, some time I'd find myself looking, the
globe would be out of the TV and maybe 20 to 40 feet in dia-
meter and I'd be under it looking around it and all of this
in more detail, higher resolution. And I'd get excited
tryin', 'cause, gosh if I could remember this and go back
and plot it, you know, and then the whole blame thing would
blow up on me and disappear and I'd have to go back and ask
him a question again. And a lot of the things it looked like
I had resolution in detail, when I started to zoom in. on it
and grab it so I could bring it back I'd just lose it. And
this happened many, many times on me. Uh, the graphics were
very good, they were in color. And it was primarily cut so
various pieces of weaponry located at various points around
the globe and a very large network emanating from two points.
I don't know where those points were but in this case it
looked like two round disks somewhere on the globe, some-
where, uh, in the east with lines, straight lines emanating
from it. Uh, and I felt that was some kind of a communica-
tions network or monitoring system.
#66:
Okay.
#07:
I think that was about it, unless you can remember something
else.
#66:
And you talked about the radars, you talked about weapons,
the communications thing, and then radars, too.
#07:
Yes, I- the radars?
#66:
Mm-hmm.
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Uh ... I became startled when I felt I could see the radar
energy, uh, encompassing much of the globe in that part of
the world, uh, and I was lookin' primarily at the east, off
towards Europe. Uh, I could see the density of this energy
diminishing as it fanned out and as it reached out in range,
uh, which might've been a logical thing because I understand
radar. But I found myself startled because I could see it.
Then I got to where I could handle that and I thought well,
gee, I'll, I'll look at all this and bring it back. And I
could see that there was a lot of overlap, was very few, if
any, voids, and again I thought find out where the strong
points are. Find out where the control is. And it disappeared,
it went to, flashed to another image. And I promised myself
I'll get back to that, I'll get back to that. And all of a
sudden I'd get wrapped up in a new scene and I'd forget about
it. But it was a very confusing, uh, high-speed, kind of
exciting session.
#66:
Okay. I have no further questions. Is there anything else
you'd like to add?
#07:
Uh, nothing I have to add.
#66:
Okay.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DCC-03
1. (S/NOFORN)
Information provided the remote viewer prior to the session
is documented as a pre-session briefing and is included in the transcript.
2. . (S/NOFORN) During the session an attempt was made to have the viewer
focus on
job.
SG1B
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