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Notes on conversation with
(DIA/OGF/PAG) 1 Feb 95:
In general:
is program manager at DIA of Stargate. He and
his staff are currently housed at Ft. Meade
He said DIA has been involved formally managing the Stargate
program since 1990 and that it was inherited from the US Army
[General Stubblebind?]; there it had been a primarily
operations oriented program since the early 1980s.
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We discussed what CIA's initial approach to the program
transfer would be [from my perspective], and the current
state of the DIA program from his perspective. I said that
the first thing CIA is going to do is set up a Blue Ribbon
Review panel. I mentioned the National Research Council as a
leading contender for this, based on the previous work they
had done for the Army Research Institute. I said the second
thing we would do, and in parallel, was to formally look at
the issue of declassification.
I asked for cooperation in
both of these efforts. I made no discussion and no
commitments in terms of dates, milestones, nor discussed any
other aspect of program transfer (i.e., billets, dollars,
etc.), despite
intense curiosity and questions on these
issues.
I asked for all the supporting documentation
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has said was available during a previous meeting. This
DIA program retrospective (just
included: 1]
submitted in draft to CMS) , 2]
20 year
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retrospective draft 3] ED May's (SAIC principal investigator)
unclassified retrospective of R&D in parapsychology, and 4]
45 documents relating to R&D which
claimed he had
declassified. He said he would bring these to the meeting
Monday, but later hesitated about the R&D material, and the
20 yr retrospective saying it might be difficult to find.
described these documents during our conversation
confirming what
had said them. ]
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described some general highlights of the DIA program.
TO conduct operations,
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It is worth noting that
believes that he has already
responded to the CDA in preparing his LIMDIS report which he
recently has submitted to the CMS and which he is discussing
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with DIA's OCA liaison. He said he didn't object, however,
to the CIA Blue Ribbon panel, and that it was a good idea
because this work is so important. He also said he drafted a
report going back to 1973 on the history of the program which
he said was the 20-yr retrospective Congress asked for.
He also pledged to be very cooperative in our Blue
Ribbon Panel review. He was not too keen on the issue of
"declassification", but he has equities in mind of which I am
unaware. He said that "program declassification is not
good, " especially if it addresses who we have been doing this
work for (the customers?). I didn't push the discussion on
declassification other than to name
and to say
that I though
would be attending some of the meetings.
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Highlights:
· We agreed that
would briefing his program at
ORD on 6 Feb, 10:00.
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agreed to bring relevant documentation to the
meeting
· I told
CIA's approach was Blue Ribbon Panel up
front, with no other commitments
may resist declassification, but otherwise pledges
cooperation
. The program is currently an operations program,
collection and research have ceased.
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