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Notes on meeting with
(DIA/OGF) 30 Jan 95:
In general:
is Office of Ground Forces, DIA
His component became responsible for management
oversight of the DIA Stargate program about a year ago. It is
currently LIMDIS, formerly SAP (while in the Army?). It has
been at DIA since the late 80s [88-89?], and may have been in
the Army prior to that, but it is not clear that there is a
continuous thread to follow as these may have been
independent programs.
is DIA program manager, and
he has three remote viewers under his supervision housed at
Ft. Meade.
discussed the various program parts from his
perspective which are loosely defined as R&D, Operations, and
Foreign Assessment. Other meeting attendees:
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R&D:
The principal player in DIA's R&D effort has been Ed May
of SAIC, [formerly of SRI?].
was unable to state what
the particular R&D objectives were, although he later
mentioned a couple of examples. The program is apparently
out of money for R&D at this point. However,
recently
received an exhaustive unclassified report from Ed May
addressing the research issues of the program which
used in part as the basis for a LIMDIS classified report he
wrote and sent to CMS; apparently
report covers only
the DIA Stargate program, and was generated in response to
the SAC CDA by the deadline of March 1. [I requested copies
of both Ed May's unclassified document and
report] .
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said CMS had a copy of the report and that a copy is on
its way to Congress.
In addition, some 40 papers by Ed May relating to the
R&D aspects of the program are unclassified. These should
all be part of the R&D review we conduct.
We agreed to get
from Ed May all the unclassified material we could.
Operations:
These consist of
directing the remote viewers to
"access and describe the target" based on a limited
description of the target's context.
had not actually
witnessed an "operation". We agreed to go to Ft Meade and
meet the viewers ourselves.
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· We agreed to go and talk with
and the people
currently at Ft. Meade at
suggestion.
· We said we would push the declassification issue hard
. We will get unclassified documents from Ed May
said he'd help us get a copy of
report
. We will contact
declassification
of CSI to get his help in
did it
didn't
done
done
dome
done
. We will delay contacting the NRC to set up the Blue
Ribbon Panel until we know more about the declassification
issues.
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Declassification Issue:
report is also supposed to address the
declassification of the program. According to
based on
the discussions which took place on this issue, it is his
opinion that nothing in this program should be classified
except US Government Sponsorship [why?]. He says that there
is no threat to national security involved, no sensitive
sources and methods. The problem may be the "giggle factor"
in that this program could be an embarrassment to some. We
stated that we intend to push the declassification issue
hard.
Customer Base:
did solicit feedback from various customers he
has had for his product, and did attempt to develop the
customer base. He asked some customers to fill out survey
information he devised.
[With the exception of DIA,
was
not aware of any customers within the intelligence
community. ] It was
opinion that no customers returned
for a second time after using the program capabilities once.
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