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29 November 1978
MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD
SUBJECT:
GRILL FLAME Meeting at DARCOM HQ (U)
L. (U)
Meeting on 28 Nov 78, to discuss Army GRILL FLAME projects:
Dr Richard HALEY (DARCOM)
Mr Randy CLINTON (MIA)
Mr John KRAMAR (AMSAA)
Mr Hugh GREEN
(Missile Laboratories)
COL Albert DeProspero (AMSAA)
COL Jack CAPPS (OACSI)
MAJ Willian STONER (OACSI)
MAJ "Scotty" WATTS
2. (S/ORCON) The major issue discussed was that of insuring that
Army has a comprehensive program, but that duplication is avoided and
scarce resources carefully spent. All three agencies (INSCOM, AMSAA,
and MISSILE LABS) briefed their involvement or proposed projects. It
was agreed that no-one was out of bounds and that all the programs
meshed well.
3. (U) Dr HALEY stated, all agreed, that we should get ou. impressions
down in writing as we go along. Everyone should keep the other fellow
informed (courtesy copy of minutes, etc).
4. (S/ORCON) AMSAA said that the need to validate experiments was very
strong and are using their own people for blind judging. Twenty tests
are still out, but should be judged soon. They have been working on
in-out bound experiments, have tried some RV from room-to-room, and will
next try coordinate-only experiments. It is generally agreed at AMSAA
that the Experimenter (the preferred "coach" is used since it is less
formidable and scientific -- thereby putting the Subject at ease) is
the absolute iinchpin of any experiment.
5. (S/ORCON)
INSCOM Action Officer will go to SRI for training the
second week of December. Though he desires this trip to coincide with
the AMSAA-SRI-CDEC experiments at Fort Ord, Il may not be able to do
the experiments because of previous committments.
6. (U) MIA has not current contract, but is interested in the PK
aspects of the problem. (Note: I received the distinct impression that
Mr CARTER is more-or-less satelliting himself onto the sister organization
at Redstone, Missile Laboratories.)
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7. (S/ORCON) Mr Hugh GREEN, Missile Laboratories, briefed on a proposal
his organization has worked up, to develop a piece of machinery (PK
Switiching Device) which is felt hold excellent promise. The decision
by the Labs to go with this aspect of the phenomena is a result of
a survey of fifty different works on PSI -- only one or two of which are
SRI-related. They feel that the average man inheriently possesses the
a bility to affect physical objects with mental power. They strongly
desire a piece of machinery that will demonstrate to one and all that
that can be done. Mental processes' effects on a noise generating
diode will be monitored for change by a computer.
8. (S/ORCON) All agreed that the tighest security was necessary for
the protetion of GRILL FLAME and agreed that OACSI should develop the
cover story.
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