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DOD GRILL FLAME Committee
1. (U) Place: DIA/DT Conference Room, Pomponio Plaza.
2. (U) Time and Date: 0930 hours, 12 July 1979.
3. (U) Attendees: See enclosure.
4. (S/ORCON) The meeting began with an explanation of Dr. Vorona's
absence from the gathering. Dr. Vorona was briefing Congressman Rose
on DoD efforts and interest in parapsychology.
has returned
to his position at the MIIA and
has resumed his position at
the DIA and will attend the meetings on a regular basis.
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5. (S/ORCON) Several members of the committee raised the question of
the purpose of the committee and the possibility of the committee producing
a product. While no general concensus was reached, the feeling of many
members was that the committee serves as a point of contact between
various agencies involved in exploring paranormal phenomenon and functions
to coordinate these activities.
6. (S/ORCON) The possibility of the group preparing an ICR was raised.
Dale Graff volunteered that he had already produced an ICR and would send
copies to the members.
7. (S/ORCON) Several members of the group then raised the question of the
relationship of the Steering Committee to the Working Group and the question
of how the Steering Committee should be kept informed about the activities
and progress of the group. It was related that each member bears the
responsibility of keeping his respective member of the Steering Committee
informed of the Working Group's activities.
8. (C/ORCON) It was suggested that the group might compile a registry of
scientists doing parapsychology research.
9. (C/ORCON) The use of computer terminals to exchange data was raised.
DIAOLS and COINS were mentioned.
10. (C/ORCON) Another suggestion of a group project was to compile a
complete registry of what each agency has done or is doing in the area.
11. (U) Again, the question of the objectives of the group was raised.
12. (S/ORCON)
discussed the draft of a recently completed
report by
on the protocol for RV experiments.
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13. (C/ORCON)
then discussed methods for reviewing RV data.
14. (S/ORCON) Bill Stoner then discussed several briefings. These included
the Army briefing the SecDef, the Under Secretary of the Army briefing
Congressman Rose and Maj Stoner briefing the IC Staff.
15. (S/ORCON) Dr. Vorona arrived to attend the afternoon portion of the
meeting. He reiterated that each member has the responsibility of
informing his superior on the Steering Committee of the Working Group's
activities. He agreed that more extensive minutes with a synopsis of
the talks and presentations was a working goal and should be accomplished
whenever possible.
16. (S/ORCON) Dr. Vorona then discussed his briefing Congressmen Rose and
Young. They were primarily interested in the funding of such projects
within the DoD.
17. (C/ORCON) A discussion was then held on sending contract researchers
to report on international meetings and the extent to which this may
involve a conflict of interest.
18. (C/ORCON) Dale Graff reported to the group that the Japanese student
who effects photographic film is to visit .the US.
19. (C/ORCON) The use of technically trained vs. non-technically trained
viewers was discussed.
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20. (S/ORCON)
interest in the unique ability
of some crypt analysts to break codes but not be able to explain exactly
how they did it.
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ATTENDEES
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Jack Vorona
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DIA/DT
Charles E. Carterv
MIA
Billy Z. Jenkins
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Scotty Watt V
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L. R. "Bob" Dailey
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Bill Stoner~
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John W. Kramar
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Albert A. DeProspero
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Dale E. Graff v
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