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Minutes of DOD Grill Flame Committee Meeting,
25 September 1979
1. (U)
Meeting was held in DIA/DT Conference Room, 0930
hours, 25 September 1979.
2. (U)
Attendees:
See Inclosure 1.
3.
(U)
distributed copies of the minutes of the
12 July 1979 DOD GRILL FLAME Committee Meeting. The minutes
were approved after minor clarification of a couple of points.
4.
(S)
Old Business:
a.
Dr. Vorona informed the group that a DOD Science
Advisory Board, chaired by Manfred Gale, GS-18, DA, has been
established to review the various GRILL FLAME Programs within
DOD. Dr. Vorona reported that the committee would be meeting
with him on 26 September 1979 and that he suspected that the
committee would shortly visit all the DOD organizations
involved in parapsychology.
b.
MAJ Stoner mentioned that he and Mr. Gale had visited
with Dr. Jahn of Princeton and Dr. Lucky of Bell Labs. Dr.
Jahn is still very much interested and involved in para-
psychology -- mainly interested in PK and precognitive RV.
5.
(S)
New Business :
a.
Dr. Vorona requested that he be kept informed of
various funding levels of the different GRILL FLAME elements.
Dr. Vorona stated that Congressman Rose had erroneous impres-
sion of funding that DOD had to support SRI efforts in this
field but that he (Dr. Vorona) has straightened him out. Dr.
Vorona will have the responsibility of keeping Congressman
Rose up-to-date. MAJ Stoner indicated he will check on Army
funding profile and let Dr. Vorona know what the level is.
b. Dale Graff stated that he had updated the Intelligence
Collection Requirements (ICR) . See Inclosure 2.
A.
CLASSIFIED BY: Director, DIA
DECLASSIFY ON: 25 Sep 99
EXTENDED BY: Director, DIA
REASON: 2-301-C (3) (6)
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c.
Dale Graff briefed the committee on FTD JR# 1-570-
0092-79.
Basically report concerned ongoing research in
parapsychology phenomena in the Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia
and Rumania.
See Inclosure 3.
d.
Mr. Graff briefed the committee about a session he
attended in Madison, Wisonsin recently. Two youngsters from
Japan tried to influence images on photographic film. Whole
session was far too loose to verify demonstrations. Japanese
government seems to be backing parapsychology movement although
they have offered no official statements to that affect.
e. Mr. Graff presented two articles on parapsychology to
the group for their review. Inclosure 4 is an article by J. B.
Hasted and D. Robertson entitled "The Detail of Paranormal
Metal-Bending." Inclosure 5 is an article edited by William
G. Roll entitled "Research in Parapsychology", 1978.
f.
MAJ Stoner recommended two books for the committee to
review.
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(1)
"The Divining Hand" - regarding dowsing.
(2)
"Science and PSI" by Carroll Nash, Thomas
Publisher, 1979
SG1H
g.
reported
is trying to put a
SG1H
program together but that they have to proceed cautiously.
Expect to have program of approximately 70K with SRI.
He
recommended to committee that they do the following:
(1)
Finalize a security guide.
(2)
Make SRI protocol more stringent and better
documented.
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h.
requested committee members to let him
know about possible topics for next meeting. Please forward
comments early so thatproper agenda can be arranged. Meetings
will continue to be held at present location until there are
other proposals.
A
i. Scotty Watt expressed his concern with the apparent
lack of good security practices at, SRI. Recommended that
committee look into possibility of providing SRI with a secure
telephone hook-up. Charlie Carter mentioned that they (MIA)
had tried to get a secure line for SRI and all attempts had
failed.
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j.
Bill Jenkins (MICOM) presented an overview of their
program concerning PK. All appears to be on track although
protocol (s) are still being held in abeyance.
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k.
stated that he was looking for people
who can look inside of restricted spaces.
Also, ones who
can read a document or a message.
(II) Dr. Vorona expressed the thanks of the committee
SG1J
6.
to
for acting as recorder for the group.
7.
(U) Next meeting will be Thursday, 8 November 1979 at
0930 hours.
Meeting was adjourned at 1220 hours.
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1. Attendees
2. ICR # FTD-5456
Committee Co-Chairman
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3. ICR # 1-570-0092-
79, Parapsychological
Research
4. The Detail of Paranormal
Metal-Bending
5. Research in Parapsychology
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List of Attendees
ORGANIZATION
NAME
Jack Vorona
DIA/DT
SG11
SG1J
Dale Graff
FTD/TQTR
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SG11
Scotty Watt
HO INSCOM
SG1H
Bill Stoner
OACSI/DAMI-ISH
Bill Jenkins
U. S. Army MICOM
Charles Carter
MIA
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