CIA-RDP96-00788R001900590001-8

Approved For Release 2000/0 1/0 8 ECA-RPR96-00 88R001900590001-8
IAGPA-F-SD
10 July 1984
MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD
SUBJECT :
CENTER LANE Interview Summary - HU-1074/8404/63 (U)
1.
( S/CL-3/NOFORN )
On
151507
April
1984, source #63
was
interviewed by monitor #66 in an attempt to verify a suspected
location of an individual identified as William F. Buckley.
The
project 8404 sponsor suspected that Buckley might be in Baalbek,
Lebanon .
The sponsor had provided a photograph of Buckley (see
Incl 1).
2.
(S/CL-3/NOFORN)
For this
interview source was initially
shown the photograph
of Buckley and asked to describe his
perceptions
of
Buckley's
location.
After
his
initial
impressions were objectified, source was directed to describe
sites surrounding what he perceived as Buckley's location.
No
other identifying data was provided to source at the time of the
interview.
Source had, however, become aware that Buckley was a
kidnap victim.
All other intelligence information was withheld
from source for use as
feedback and cuing during possible
subsequent interviews.
After
the interview, resection map
analysis was done by the monitor in an attempt to determine
Buckley's location.
3.
(U)
A transcript of the interview was prepared (see Incl 2).
4.
(U)
A
DA Form 341 (Agent Report) was prepared for the
sponsor .
This report related
the salient points of the
interview
(see Incl 3).
Information of immediate operational
value was provided to sponsor as soon as possible after the
interview.
Association
with the below
named
individual
and
Military
Intelligence is CONFIDENTIAL.
SG11
3 Incl
as
WARNING NOTICE !
Center LaNe SPECIAL ACCESS PROGRAM
NOT RELEASABLE TO FOREIGN NATIONALS
RESTRICT DISSEMINATION TO THOSE
WITH VERIFIED ACCESS
CLASSIFIED BY :
CDR, INSCOM
CATEGORY Approved For Release 2000/08/08 5CIA-RDP98-00788P001000590001 º
SECRET

-
Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001900590001-8
Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001900590001-8
TwC/ 1

Approved For Release 2000/08/08/01/ 95 93- 078BR001900590001-8
TRANSCRIPT
HU-1074/8404/63
#66:
This will be a CENTER LANE interview for 1507 hours
the 2nd April 1984.
All right, today we're going to
be
working
on our
individual in
the
photograph.
Today
should flow
quite
easily.
I
need you
initially to describe his location.
Now there's not
necessarily, he may be in the same place you found
him before, he may be in some different place, but
we need initially to describe his location and when
we work through that, the location of the individual
in the photograph, then I'm going to have three
movement exercises. So at this point I'll turn the
session over to you and work on the location of the
individual in the photograph that you now have.
#63:
All
right.
. A is angles and man made, and no
B.
(mumble) break, A is --- rising, man made, no B,
S2
is gray, Break, S2 --- sloping, vertical, gray,
large.
AOL Break -
I'm back to the same place,
what I'm going to do is declare that an AOL and then
if it comes back I'll know that it wasn't an AOL.
#66:
I
understand .
It's okay that we find him
in
the
same place, just remember that the description place
may not be what we saw in the overhead imagery.
#63:
Right.
But that's why I just want to declare an AOL
and come back and try again.
#66:
Now, is the AOL, remembering the overhead photograph
I've shown you, is the AOL --
#63:
The AOL is what I felt, perceived before you showed
me the photograph.
#66:
I understand, okay.
So your AOL is seeming to find
him in the same place.
#63:
Um, um.
#66:
We don't have an AOL in
ideal structure, but we're
okay.
#63:
Um, um.
#66:
May be same place as familiar, which is an AI break
familiar.
That's entire possibility there.
Approved For Release 2000/08/98 : SIA RDP96 00708R001900590001-8
OLUNE+
INel 2

Approved For Release 2000/08/08)
ACADCT
CIA RDP95-0078 BR001900590001-8
#63:
Um, um.
M break.
That place I had matched up so
perfectly with that thing in the picture. Just take
a little bit of a break, I only want to stop the
tape for about 2 minutes, take a two minute break.
#66:
Okay, we're starting the tape up again.
It
is now
1513.
#63:
A
--- is flat, man made, no B.
N
break
·
I'm
trying to write.
A -- is rising,
man made,
B --- is
building.
Stage 2s -- lite color,
patterned,
AOL
Break --- like
the
suspected
building
in
the
photograph, but not the one I had gone to.
#66:
Okay, there was one in the building that was labeled
suspected.
There was a building that was labeled as
suspected building, not the one you described, but
and so now you're having an AOL, we're still working
on the photo. Okay, I have a suggestion that we
move in another direction now.
#63:
Okay.
#66:
It's not really necessary for this session
that
we
describe where he's at, so let's use a set addresses
and say from the man in the picture, X direction and
that's what we need to describe.
#63:
Try to ( mumble) that.
#66:
Yes.
That's what we need descriptions of, we don't
really,
I
know you're battling, hey, well, but
technically we don't need to describe that place,
what we need to describe is the other places.
#63:
Yeah.
#66:
And that way you won't have to battle the AOL, okay?
#63:
Let me get a little (mumble) out here. Okay, it's a
sketch of a building, flat top, two little square
boxes on top.
#66:
Okay, is that part of your AOL declaration or is
that what you get and then you AOL after.
#63:
That's sort of looking through the AOL and this
reminded me of the building.
#66:
Okay, so it an AOL signal (mumble).
Approved For Release 2000.28/1- CIA RIF 96-00788R001900590001-8

ADCT
Approved For Release 2000/08/08
#63:
Yeah.
#66:
It may very well look exactly like that and you had
a memory trace on the ones in the photograph.
#63:
And you obviously know where they say they think he
is, so you can check that out later.
#66:
Okay .
#63:
But that's what I'll be when you say go
original or ---
to
the
#66:
Okay.
I will say the words from the location of the
individual in the photograph, blah, okay, I don't
even care about anything, just lay your hand on the
photograph, I don't even care about that location
right now.
#63:
Find the location of the individual.
#66:
The word location is redundant, say from him --
#63:
Okay, from the individual
in
the photograph.
Okay
and this is going to be a movement exercise?
#66:
Yes, and I will
wait until you put the pen on the
paper .
21 miles north, northwest.
#63:
A --- is rising,
sloping, solid, B --- is rising land,
S2 --- is gray, dark, rugged.
#66:
Say that word again.
#63:
Rugged .
#66:
All right.
#63:
Peaks.
A -- is rising, solid, B --- is
peaks,
AI
break -- an undeclared AI up
here,
. .
. I don't
know
what it was, ... man made, peaks, and flat area.
#66:
Okay, let's, let's end this movement exercise.
I
saw the AI in your eyes and I was waiting for you to
declare it, you like went (oo).
#63:
Okay .
#66 :
So we have rising man made peaks.
#63:
Um, um.
GEGRET
8R001900590001-8
2

CCCDET
Approved For Release 2000/08 09 [CIA-BLP\6 00768R001900590001-8
#66:
That what direction, all right.
#63:
Well, we have rising land with
around it.
man
made things
#66:
Oh, I'm sorry, did I say man made peaks, I'm sorry.
Yeah, rising land, rugged peaks, and below the peaks
you see some man made.
#63:
Yeah, it's generally flat, they're sort of sitting
there by them self.
#66:
Okay, so they set up from this flatness?
#63:
Um, um.
#66:
All right.
#63:
Okay, the man made (mumble) .
#66:
Okay, when you put your pen on the paper, 47 miles
north, northeast.
#63:
A --- is flat, man made, no B. A --- is flat, no B,
Stage
2s --- gray,
flat, .crossing,
sounds,
AOL
Break --- airport.
#66:
End.
New movement exercise.
Okay, now this is in
conjunction with this particular site, okay.
#63:
This is in conjunction with this?
#66:
Yes.
#63:
Okay .
#66:
Okay.
#63:
I guess I understand.
#66:
Well, let's make sure.
From, what are we going to
call that, what do we want to label that site 47, it
was originally 47 miles from the man --
#63:
-- From site 47.
#66:
From site 47, within 2
miles something should be
visible.
#63:
Break,
Approved For Release 2000SFO RF F88R001900590001-8
CURC

Approved For Release 2000/08/ 0) (APTEE
SECRET
R001900590001-8
#66:
I'm checking your versatility here, making you go up
2 miles around, and you'll know when you get it, but
I'm checking versatility. Do you want the cue again?
#63:
No, I'm just going to touch that one up there,
within 2 miles.
#66:
Of site 47.
#63:
AOL break --- water.
#66:
Say what?
#63:
Water/lake.
#66:
Okay, we can end.
New movement exercise from the
picture.
#63:
From --
#66:
From the picture.
#63:
From him.
Get
some more paper before we go on
here.
Okay, so from man in photo.
#66:
What were the words you used before?
#63:
I think I used, from man in photo there, I
think
I
used individual up there.
#66:
Fine
Put your pen on the paper.
#63:
Okay.
#66:
35 miles south, southeast.
#63:
( mumble )
break.
A --- is
sloping
down, solid,
B
is --- land. A --- is curving, confusion break.
#66:
I'd like you to take the cue again.
#63:
Okay .
#66:
Clear your confusion, you're still
working on
it ,
you're not at break.
#63:
Okay, from man in photo.
#66:
35 miles south, southeast.
Approved For Release 20099: AV PN: 96-7.0788R001900590001-8
OLUNLT

-
-CECDET
Approved For Release 2000/08/88. CIAOP90-03/001001900590001-8
#63:
Break.
I
think
I
saw my
hand move, but my pen
didn't.
#66:
Do it again.
#63:
A --- is rising, man made, B --- is building,
Stage
-
-is many, white, AOL break -- water near.
A
---
is
2
vertical, man made, B -- is structure, Stage 2
-- is
rising, white.
Flat area, with buildings
#66:
We'll end there.
We'll end session now, it's 1531.
Okay ?
#63:
That's it.
£
Approved For Release 2000/0CF:20 28R001900590001-8
6

1 locatApproved For Release 2000/08/08 :
-3 movemento
8PR001900590001-8
Tom
Zap. 84
1507
L
A angles
manade
B-
11 Break
-
A using mamode
B-
5-2
gray
MBech
5-2
sloping
verti
gray
large
Aul Bock
same place
Break
Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDF 96-107:3P0 1900590001-8

1513
Approved For Relea.
SEGRET
2
996-00788R001900590001-8
Afect mamade
B
in Breck
SK
Can Break
Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP86 00788R004900590001-8
SECRET

3
CCADET
Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R00 19)(59600118E F
A ming
manad
B Building
5-2
lite color
patterned
Al Brech
like the suspected
building but
not the one I went
to
1
1
-
1
1
SK
Building
Feat tapped
2 little sg
boys on top
Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RD 2:6100788F 001800590001-8
OLURET

4
SEGRET
Approved For -Release/2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001900990001-8 |\
location
from the individual in the photo:
21M N NW southing should be usable
A mesug
Alping
solid
Busingland
5-2
gray
dank
mugged
Peaks
21 M NW
A rising solid
B peaks
AT Break
77
Approved For Release 2000/08/08 / CIA-POP86-06780100190 7590001-8
3/ CIACH
St
#
-
End

Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001900590001-8
5
-SECRET
from the man in the photo :
47" NNE
A Flat managle
B_
47 M NNE
A Hat manmonde
B
-
$2
gray
flat
crossing
sounds
Aal Brech
Perpat
End
SEGRET-
Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001900590001-8

Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788Pod 1 1506.12 "T
6
"SECRET
from site 47 :
.
within 2 miles something should be busable
M Brech
£
Aol Break
water/lake
End
Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001800500001º-
"SECRET

7
Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R0019(05:000/
from man in the photo :
35M SSE
M Breck
35M SSE
A sloping down
solid
Bland
5
A Cinny bien Break
Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R081996590001-8

Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001
8
SEGRET
from man in the photo :
35M SSE
M Break
35 M SSE
A rising mamade
B- Building
5-2
wany
white
Adl Break
Water near
35M SSE
1
-
A Jat monade
B- structure
5-2
Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001900590001-8
Using
white
SEGUE Het area
End

Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-0078OROUTPUT
6-007SEGRET
1531
End
Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788P801960590001-1-T

ACAOCT
Approved For Release, 00o/uopp: 141 00-0170000190210001-8
AGENT REPORT
For use of this form, see FM 30-17(C); AR 381-20; the proponent agency is the Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence.
1. NAME OF SUBJECT OR TITLE OF INCIDENT
PROJECT FRANCIS
1
2. DATE SUBMITTED
3. CONTROL SYMBOL OR FILE NUMDER
HU-1074/8404/63
4. REPORT OF FINDINGS
On 2 April 1984, Source 63 was interviewed in an attempt to verify
SUBJECT's suspected location of Baalbek, Lebanon.
Source stated
substantially as follows:
Approximately 21 miles north-northwest of SUBJECT's location were
rugged mountain peaks (not further identified). Approximately 47
miles north-northeast of HIS location was an airfield (not further
identified) and a lake.
Approximately 35 miles south-southeast of HIS
location was a flat area with many white buildings, perhaps a city
(not further identified) .
Source was unable to provide any further information verifying
SUBJECT's location.
L
AGENT'S NOTES:
Using resection techniques, map analysis of
Source's information yields Baalbek as SUBJECT's location.
WARNING NOTICE:
SENSITIVE
INTELLIGENCE SOURCES AND
METHODS INVOLVED
NOT RELEASABLE TO FOREIGN
NATIONALS
CLASSIFIED BY :
CDR, INSCOM
.
DECL :
OADR
.
5. TYPED NAME AND ORGANIZATION OF SPECIAL AGENT
6. SIGNATURE OF SPECIAL AGENT
DAN.341
f U.S. Government Printing Office: 1982-361-646/9226
REPLACES WD AGO FORM 341, 1 JUN 47, WHICH MAY BE USED.
Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788R001900590001-8
SECRET
TILL &