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MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD
SUBJECT:
CENTER LANE Interview Summary - HU-1031/8309/01 (U)
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SG1A
1.
(S/CL-3/NOFORN)
On 090900 August 1983, source #01 was interviewed
concerning the activities of 11 August 1984, in
The project 8309
sponsor had provided geographic coordinates of the town, a photograph
of the building, and a map showing its relative location (see Incl 1) .
2.
(S/CL-3/NOFORN)
For this interview source was shown the
photograph provided by sponsor. Other information provided by the
sponsor was shown to the source after the interview as "feedback"
since this interview provided the essential information required by
sponsor
3. (U)
A
transcript of the interview was prepared including a
narrative explanation of Source's drawings (see Incl 2) .
4.
(U)
A DA Form 341 (Agent Report) was prepared for the sponsor.
Attached to the report as EXHIBIT I was a copy of Source's drawings.
This report related the salient points of the interview. (see Incl 3) .
3
Incl
as
Andrich H. Ottwales
FREDERICK H. ATWATER
CPT, MI
OPS/TNG Officer
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#66:
This will be a CENTER LANE Interview for 0900 hours
9 August 1983. Focus your attention now on 11
August 1982, 11 August 1982.
And move your
attention and your awareness to the building in the
photograph I've shown you, .... 11
August 1982 and
describe your perceptions to me ..
#01:
..
. . See a person in a white. . shirt, by the side of
the . . balcony .
#66:
Describe his activity to me.
#01:
Hanging over the side with something, a cable or a
rope ... a wire or something .... Pulling something up.
#66:
Say again.
#01:
Pulling something up.
. . . That's wrong, he's pulling
something in, pulling something in .... three, three
people ..... yelling down something, .. somebody on the
ground .
..
. . Just a minute.
# 66:
Okay, focusing in time now on the person on the
balcony, hold your focus in time on the person on
the balcony .
#01:
.
. . Okay . . ah ... Just I got him going to the rail
and .. yelling
something,
or
waving
his
arm .... something
in
his
right
arm or right
hand ..... walking away .. from the balcony up under the
overhang .
# 66:
Describe the balcony area to me.
#01:
.Got a ... "U" shape of tables, counters of some
kind.
It's gray like metallic boxes, .. shape of a
"U" , .. many wires.
# 66:
Describe your position of observation.
#01:
Standing right beside the boxes.
#66:
Facing?
#01:
Facing out . . through the balcony .
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# 66:
Okay, describe what is directly in front of you, if
you face out, eye level.
#01:
.. It's very tall white building.
#66:
Okay, into you in the balcony not across the (mumble)
#01:
Ah,
yeah .
.
.Some
big
boxes, ... it's
like
a ... a . .. golly,
looks
like
a ...
a .. webbing or
inter-locking tubular stuff, .. white boxes, . . pully .
#66:
Okay, just beyond this, a little bit beyond this.
#01:
A. . squares, and a intermeshed squares ... something
gold with black fastenings.
Just some antennas
fastened to the balcony railing.
#66:
As you look out, is there anything obstructing your
view to seeing across the way?
#01:
Just some white boxes, sinw
white box of some kind
or gray box .. white ... cloth
or
something, . . keep
getting a mesh or fine mesh.
#66:
Okay. Now, put your back to the outside railing of
the balcony and face in towards the room and
describe.
#01:
..
.Now I'm on the other side of the boxes, the
white boxes, .. caught a flash, like a bright light
reflected, reflected a bright light ... off the glass,
it's around glass.
There's another .... get some kind
of tripod device,
... get a step down like, walk
down area.
# 66:
Okay, from the balcony to the inside room, describe
the entrance to me.
#01:
... Slats,
three
inches wide, .. horizontal,
three squares in a doorway. The doorway's open,
it's black.
.... Slats sides can be slid open. It's
got a sliding area, ... doorway or some sliding door .
# 66:
Describe the sliding door.
#01:
It's like out of wood with slats.
Keep seeing
horizontal vents or slats.
. .
.Something black .
#66:
Something black?
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#01:
Black.
# 66:
Describe something black.
#01:
.Ah .... Oval, flat in height, ... supported on
something .
.... It's got an opening in one end.
.
. Makes a noise.
#66:
Describe noise.
#01:
. . Very high cyclic hum or vibration, . . out of ear
range .
·
... It looks like a .... large drum that's
flatter than normal, .. laying on its side, . . square
hole in the side.
#66:
Okay. Now, as you're standing in the room here,
let's watch the activities of the individual you
found before on the balcony and describe.
#01:
.See
him just
walking around, handling
something,
handling
things, .. like
adjusting
something .
Then he's
a
rushing to the balcony
and .. looking
at something
away
from
the
balcony, .. getting agitated ... then I see him handling
a .... a ... cloth or
sheet
or
something
white,
spreading it across balcony.
.Going back
inside .... pushing black object to the side, ... moving
boxes, .. white boxes to the left, .. rearranging some
furniture of some kind, .. chairs. Seems to be giving
direction
to
somebody
else, ..... pointing
and .... pointing and talking.
... This black object
has ... got
some
kind
of
aperature
for
pointing .... It's being pointed at a, ... looks like a
high rise, a .. large,
a very large white building
with square patterns, ... square windows.
#66:
Explain the nature of the operation of the black
object .
#01:
.Getting a ... it's like a drum in the side, it
gets
vibrations .
It's
very sensitive
to
vibrations .
. .
.but
it generates
them as
well, ... measures some higher harmonic of some kind.
# 66:
Okay. Describe the general layout of the room area.
#01:
... Cluttered, .. look
like
the
tables
are
extra. . furniture, machines or the boxes, the gray
boxes don't belong there. Ah ...
. just one big room.
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#66:
Okay .
Now I'll ask you to draw the room and objects
later, but for now, return to the balcony area.
#01:
Okay .
# 66:
All right.
Now, sometime later in the day, after
the activity of the person on the balcony, stand on
the balcony and wait for sometime later in the day,
looking for an event, later in the day, sometime
after the balcony event.
#01:
(mumble) it's a ..... I don't know if
it's overlay, I keep getting a violent vibration,
like a ripple in the picture. It's like I'm being
jarred.
#66:
Okay. Just stay in the balcony area and there may
be an, there is an event, my interest isn't whether
it's significant or not, ... sometime later in the
day, after the guy appeared on the balcony, another
event .
#01:
.
... It's like something
is being taken down,
knocked down, ... pulling something down, ...
.moving
bushes .
#66:
Okay .
Tell me about the moving of the bushes here.
#01:
Just being pulled away from the railing, separated,
.... a path is being cleared.
# 66:
Tell me about the bushes.
#01:
.See them being reorganized, moved to the
side, .. keep seeing
something jolting, something
vibrating
or .. a .... shattering
translate it.
noise, .. can't
#66:
Okay. Now, there was a rearrangement of the bushes
on the day in question, I'm interested a little bit
later, after that time, 11 August 82. Stand on the
balcony area and look over down towards the street
level. Look over and down at the street level and
the street approaching this building and so forth
and watch for an event,
later on, after the
rearrangement of the bushes on 11 August 82.
#01:
. It's hard, I keep, I can't tell
if this is overlay or not, I keep getting intrusive
pictures of fire engines, ... fire trucks .... I don't
know, I just keep getting those.
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#66:
Okay .
No other significant event?
#01:
No, don't get anything else.
# 66:
Okay, before we end then, I'd like to go back up
stairs to the room in the balcony area and remember
my asking you to draw this. So explore now beyond
the confines of my questions. Explore now beyond
the confines of my questions on 11 August 1982.
#01:
I
don't
a.
.I
get
a .... it's
apparently
an
answer
to
something
and
I'm
not ... entirely sure why, ... trying to translate the a
information.
. It's
apparently
a
hypothesized ... hypothesized action that is
wrong,
that didn't occur .
... But I don't know if that has
to do with the event or not. It's an action that's
hypothesized to have occurred, but didn't.
It's
wrong,
the .... the information
that
causes
the ... belief is inaccurate.
.... Trying to find out
what it is.
I, I don't know.
#66:
Okay .
I have a couple more questions now.
#01:
Okay .
#66:
Okay, from the roof of the balcony room area, from
the roof of the balcony room area, south, one to two
miles?
#01:
Water .
#66:
Nature of water, describe water.
#01:
. . A .... Row of lakes or row of ... row of
lakes .
... Seems like, part I can see the other side of, but
parts I can't so it's ..
# 66:
Okay, directly overhead, you know move directly over
the top of this and look straight down.
#01:
I'm getting conflicting input, I get ... both man made
water and natural water, .. like mixture of lake and
river, or lake and canal.
#66:
Okay. What's the general shape of the water from
overhead?
#01;
Squared ... angles, ah ... just keep getting a lot of
angles .
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# 66:
All right.
#01:
I don't know, I just keep getting angles .
#66:
I understand.
Move now back to the room with the
black object,
the something black that you've
described, with the drum and so forth. Now, from a
conceptual stand point, ask the question, "Against
what is this focused, against what
is this
focused?" And from a general stand point, see what
your imagery answer is.
#01:
.To
a. . second
floor .. balcony
area
of
a ... larger
white
building
in
the north,
northeast, ... building's very white, a lot of squared
areas, .. a side pattern, much glass.
#66:
Okay .
Now, that's very good for a general answer .
Now, more specifically this black object does
something very, very specific. Because of the
nature of what it is, it does something very, very
specific. Ask this question now.
#01:
. Measures a. . when I say air molecules, that's
wrong, ... measures ..... air
molecules
that
move,
something moving.
Get a .... mental impression of
very
fine needle point measurement of moving
air, ... molecules like in air.
Get an impression,
mental impression of fine, hairlike object being
vibrated.
#66:
Okay .
This appears to be an activity that's going
on, but not of principle interest to us at this time.
#01:
.Just a minute.
.Just a clicking
sound .... cyclic rapid .... Just see a wall of glass as
a focal point.
# 66:
Tell me about the wall of glass.
#01:
It's a dark window,
sheet glass, ... 7 feet
tall, 10 feet wide.
...
.. See figures moving behind
it.
#66:
Become one with the glass and tell me about yourself .
#01:
·
I
hear
things now, .. machines, it's like
I'm. . . holding the heat out of a computer area.
Inside
it's cold, outside's hot.
Inside
is
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a .... machine
area,
like
computer
equipment, ... something with chips, ... cold.
.... I'm
being a bombarded with something, like a ... something
very high frequency .
#66:
Continue .
#01:
I'm just a ... causes a,
causes cyclic
vibrations .
.... and I ... making slight .... aura like a
effect.
#66:
All right. This high frequency beam comes to you,
the glass, and passes through you, the glass, and
goes somewhere, do you ever see this high frequency
again?
#01:
. . It's
like, .. charging
£
the
glass
with
a
field, ... doesn't pass through
charges, glass with a field.
the glass, it just
#66:
All right.
This beam comes then comes from one
direction, is there anything that comes from the
other direction, the other side of the glass?
#01:
.Something
weaker
or
like
a
harmonic,
a .
.carrier .
# 66:
And what is carrier?
#01:
.See pictograph of . . . square sign waves, embedded
with spikes, carries spikes .
#66:
Very good. Spikes refer to then?
#01:
.. I don't know, something ambient to the room or the
glass.
#66:
All right .
I have no further questions then.
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#01:
Page #1 is the a. . overhead view of the balcony and
the room.
The room is one big huge room, full of
normal furniture, plus the "U" shaped array of
tables with the gray electronics boxes sitting all
over them. There's a drum type object which I've
written, see page #2 on. That's like flush up
against the a. . sliding glass and slats in wood.
There's a large step down into the room from the
balcony. The balcony has large white boxes that are
continually moved around on it as well as the
bushes. These sliding openings are black glass,
wood frames, horizontal slats. But I don't know if
the slats are inside or outside, or if they are part
of the frame. But I saw them as being doors, and
maybe because they're moveable or they are moved
around or something inside.
#01:
Page #2 is a side view of the, what I call the drum
object that has an opening on one end facing towards
the large white targeted building,
from the
balcony. And that's about it.
#66:
Okay. Now I want to go back to drawing #1. During
the beginning of the session here, you talked about
a guy in a white shirt who came out on the balcony
area here, can you tell me kind of what he did out
there on the balcony?
#01:
Yeah, he would come out on the balcony and he would
hang over the side and he'd hang up this white thing
and take it down and he'd move the bushes around.
He'd like adjust them to the side, then move them
back .
He was moving these white box objects
around. He talked to people off the balcony once in
a while. He'd hang something off the side of the
balcony, maybe it was the plants or something, I'm
not sure what it was, but he would hang something
off the balcony and he would bring something back up
on the balcony. Just general futzing around on the
balcony and he was always, sometimes he would point
his finger inside through the doorways and talk to
some people inside the large interior room, that
sort of thing. That was his general activity.
#66:
Okay .
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#01:
Okay, then we have page #3, which translated is, if
you can imagine yourself being what I call the glass
wall, you have a very cold side and you have a very
warm side. The very cold side has got computer
equipment and this is the side that struck through
by a high frequency radiation. The very warm side
is a side struck through by same high frequency
radiation, but with a lower intensity carrier. And
at the bottom of the page, I drew a pictorial
representation of what the carrier is. And it's a
specifically a square wave carrier with sporadic
spikes, like written across it.
And that's
basically it. And being the glass wall, you also
get a feeling of a.a. this high intensity of
stimulation of molecules or whatever, felt like you
being energized in someway. That's it.
# 66:
Okay, fine.
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WOOD FRAMES &
HORIZONTALSLATS.
SLIDING
BALCONY
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WHITE
BOXES
BUSHES CONTINUALLY
RE ARRANGED!
W/GRAY
ELECTRONIC
BOXES.
· TABLES
LARGE
STEP DOWN
INTO ROOM
DRUM
OBJECT
(SEE PG. 2)
LARGE
INTERIOR
ROOM.
(OTHER FURNITURE IN
ROOM )
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SQUARE WAVE CARRIER W/SPIKES (SPORADIC)
ly
(VERY COLD SIDE
V
GLASS WALLS
1
VERY WARM SIDE
GLASS IS STRUCK THROUGH BY HIGH
FREQUENCY RADIATION. GLASS IS STRUCK
THROUGH AGAIN BY SAME HIGH FREQUENCY
RADIATION; BUT WITH A LOWER INTENSITY CARRIER .
PICTORAL
REPRESENTATION
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AGENT REPORT
For use of this form, see FM 30-17(C); AR 381-20; the proponent agency is the Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence.
1. NAME OF SUBJECT OR TITLE OF INCIDENT
2. DATE SUBMITTED
SG1A
3. CONTROL SYMBOL OR FILE NUMBER
HU-1031/8309/01
4. REPORT OF FINDINGS
On 9 August 1983, Source T3-01 was interviewed concerning
the activities of 11 August 1982, in room on the top floor
left side of a building Source stated substantially as follows:
On ll August 1982, a man in a white shirt (not further
identified) was seen on the balcony. This individual did many
things while on the balcony.
He adjusted bushes, moved white
box objects which were on the balcony, and talked to people on
the ground (not further identified) . He also pulled in a wire
or cable and hung up and took down a white thing (not further
identified) . At times he pointed his finger inside through
the doorway and talked to some people (not further identified)
inside the large interior room.
Source described and sketched the balcony and room area
( see drawing 1). There were some antennas (not further
identified) fastened to the balcony railing.
Inside the room
was a drum shaped device on a tripod (see drawing 2) .
Source
described the operation of this device by explaining that it
received
vibrations;
that it was very sensitive to
vibrations.
It
also generated vibrations as
well
and
measured some higher harmonic of some kind (not further
identified) ) . All of this involved a "clicking sound" which
was "cyclic" and/or "rapid" (not further identified) .
This
drum shaped device
was
focussed on a piece of glass
approximately seven feet tall by ten feet wide in a large
white building to the north or
northeast (not further
identified) . The area on the inside of the glass seemed cold
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1. NAME OF SUBJECT OR TITLE OF INCIDENT
2. DATE SUBMITTED
SG1A
3. CONTROL SYMBOL OR FILE NUMBER
HU01031/8309/01
4. REPORT OF FINDINGS
and may have had computers or computer like equipment in it
(see drawing 3) . This glass was "struck through" by high
frequency radiation (not further identified) .
This high
frequency radiation may have been a square wave carrier
"embedded with spikes" (not further identified) .
No further amplifying information concerning SUBJECT was
obtained from Source during this interview.
Attached hereto as EXHIBIT
I
are
drawings provided by
Source .
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EXHIBIT
COVER SHEET
SG1A
SUBJECT:
FILE NUMBER.
HU-1031/8309/01
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DESCRIPTION:
Drawings
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W/GRAY
ELECTRONIC
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LARGE
INTERIOR
ROOM.
(OTHER FURNITURE IN
RCOM )
LARGE
STEP DOWN
INTO ROOM
DRUM
OBJECT
(SEE PG. 2 )
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SLIDING
OPENING (S)
BLACK GLASS
WOOD FRAMES &
1
HORIZONTALSLATS.
BALCONY
WHITE
BOXES
BUSHES CONTINUALLY
DE KRANKEN :
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BALCONY
" DRUM
TOWARDS TET BLOG.
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COMPUTER EQUIPMENT
SQUARE WINE CARRIER
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( VERY COLD SIDE
5
GLASS WALLS
VERY WARM SIDE
W/SPIKES ( SPORADIC )
GLASS IS STRUCK THROUGH BY HIGH
FREQUENCY RADIATION. GLASS IS STRUCK
THROUGH AGAIN BY SAME HIGH FREQUENCY
RADIATION; BUT WITH A LOWER INTENSITY CARRIER.
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