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MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD
SUBJECT:
CENTER LANE Interview Summary - HU-1033/8308/01 (U)
1. (S/CL-3/NOFORN)
On 230900 August 1983, source #01 was interviewed
concerning personnel, activities, and equipment within a building
unidentified to him. The project 8308 sponsor had provided geographic
coordinates of the building and photograph of the building (see Incl
1) .
2.
(S/CL-3/NOFORN)
For
this interview source was provided the
coordinates of the building.
Other information provided by the
sponsor was shown to the source after the interview as "feedback"
since this interview provided the essential information required by
sponsor .
3. (U)
A transcript of the interview was prepared (see Incl 2) .
4. (U)
A DA Form 341 (Agent Report) was prepared for the sponsor .
This report related the salient points of the interview. (see Incl 3) .
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Incl
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Indas H. atwate
FREDERICK H. ATWATER
CPT, MI
OPS/TNG Officer
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# 66:
This will be a CENTER LANE Interview for 0900 hours
23 August 1983. Relax and concentrate now, relax,
relax, relax and focus your attention in present
time,
SG1A
#66:
Focus
and describe your perceptions to me.
#01:
See a large a .. reflective surface, square ... metallic
or glass.
# 66:
Your relative position of observation?
#01:
.East looking west.
#66:
Okay .
Move to 100 feet directly above the site.
#01:
.. Looking straight
down,
I
see
a ... perfect square with a ... a enlongated design in
the center .
#66:
Okay .
#01:
Hardened concrete.
#66:
All right. 500 feet above, 500 feet above
SG1A
#01:
I see ground patterns, ... lines, ... lots of
right turn angles, left turn angles.
. . . Ah --
#66:
Wait for it to clear.
#01:
. . I can't tell
if
they're ... thick tubes or
cables, .. tubes.
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#66:
Check your position of observation.
I need an
overhead .
#01:
.
.Just looking straight down on a
tall
building, ... center of the square, ... horseshoe "C"
shapes streets are turned to the --
# 66:
Okay. From the building, 50 feet east?
#01:
...
.Round object . . on the top.
# 66:
All right. Return to building.
#01:
Okay
#66:
Access interior of the building and describe.
#01:
.Um, Um, much electronics, .. a lot of plates
and ... wire and .. grids.
#66:
Subdivide dollhouse on building.
#01:
Ah .. . numerous
floors, ... open
section
is .... see
a. . open bays,
large ... cavernous open
areas, .. lot
of .. structural steel exposed .
# 66:
All right. Take a moment to scan building without
my interruptions now, focusing on personnel,
equipment and activities. Take a moment now to scan
the building without interruption from me, focusing
on personnel, equipment and activities. Do this now.
#01:
..
.Got a ... flash of the space shuttle type
aircraft ... standing on its tail.
#66:
Okay .
#01:
Ah ---
#66:
AOL break, return to the building, return to the
building .
#01:
.Large star pattern reflector, .. very large ... a
pointed ... west, .. ah .. racks
of
equipment, ... wire
grids, .... strong feeling of emission emitter type
device, devices.
# 66:
Break that out. Break out emitter feeling.
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# 01:
Impression of two waves, a ... first wave very long
sign wave, goes into the earth.
Second wave is
a ... extreme high energy pin point type wave going
out parallel to the ground ... from
reflectors,
regenerating reflectors.
See
a
lot of
cooling ... tubes or pipes, ... feeling of water, .. a lot
of water.
#66:
All right.
#01:
Pumps .
# 66:
Now focus on personnel .
#01:
.
. . Nonmilitary,
civilian, .. some
military,
civilian clothes, .... ah .. dark, dark hair, dark skin.
#66:
Describe dress.
#01:
20, 80 mix.
20% white coveralls, 80% dark suits
coveralls. It's like a .... color of clothing depicts
a ... function, engineer, engineer verses technician.
#66:
Find someone that appeals to you.
#01:
.Ah .... technician, .. male,
35, . . . he's
a ... doing something with .... coolant control panel.
He's
monitoring
pressure
and
flow, .. super
cooling ... liquids.
#66:
All right, find a point of observation in the
building. Find a point where you can fix yourself
for observation in the building.
Tell me when
you're ready .
# 01:
. . Okay .
Strange area, it's a ... blocked and
shielded.
.. . Just see the ... . okay .
#66:
All right, I'm interested in the work schedule. Fix
in space and do a 24 hour time scan.
#01:
Highest activity is
.... 10:00
in the
evening
til ..... 7:00,
8:00
AM.
That's
intermittent,
. . cyclic in 6 day periods.
That's
clearly a ... 50% or better work load.
..... See row
after
row
of
cabinets with. . . minimum
to
maximum ... people.
. . . Impression
of ... stacks
of .. siliscopic (phonetic spelling) type equipment.
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#66:
Break out siliscopic (phonetic spelling) .
#01:
. . Many
measurements
of
sign
wave, . . multiple
measurement sign wave, ... square wave, .. predominantly
square wave.
#66:
Fine. Prepare for --
#01:
See multichannel square wave.
# 66:
Prepare
for
technical
integration
question .
Describe origin of sign wave.
#01:
Sky .
#66:
More.
#01:
Space .
#66:
More.
#01:
Ah . . .
.See satellites.
#66:
More.
#01:
Net a ..... multiple
like satellites net a ... ten,
twelve satellites.
#66:
More.
#01:
. . Ah . . . Ah . . position transmissions, ... interlocking
position transmissions .
#66:
More .
#01:
. . . Guidance.
... Get a sense of theft.
#66:
Break out theft.
#01:
They don't own these ... satellites.
#66:
Describe owners.
#01:
.. Ah, impression red, white, blue, America.
# 66:
Return to building.
#01:
Okay .
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# 66:
Scan building for
later drawing and prepare for
movement exercise.
I will wait.
#01:
.Okay .
#66:
Okay .
Roof of the building, face west 200 yards,
describe.
#01:
.... It's
an
impression
of
curved, .. reflective
surface.
# 66:
Below curved reflective surface, describe.
# 01:
.... See massive tanks, storage tanks or something,
that (mumble) .
# 66:
All right.
#01:
Seems to be a .. . underground structure.
#66:
Describe.
# 01:
. . See a lot of concrete in the room a ..
.more
equipment a .... more electronics ..... see connecter
tunnels to the main building, .. corridor type tunnels.
#66:
All right.
I have no further questions concerning
the area, 200 yards west of main building.
I have
no further questions concerning this site. However,
I would like to provide you now the time to explore
on your own, beyond the confines of my questions.
Do this now.
#01:
I just get a strong impression of .. low
horizon attitude, ... it's slight slant bank to the
walls of the building. That's all I get.
#66:
All right, fine.
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# 01:
Okay, the drawing is a, kind of a, my idea of the
representation of this
target with the large
reflector type device affixed to the target, this is
the east, east device.
I'll call it east reflector
that comes out about 50 feet from the building.
The
building is a lot larger than I depicted it for some
reason, I just drew it little. Going west there's
another one of these east reflectors. It's all like
going ---
#66:
Did you hear what just you said?
# 01:
Yes .
# 66:
You said going west there's another one of these
east reflectors.
#01:
I'm sorry. There's one in the west and one in the
east. The one in the west is farther away than the
one in the east. There's apparently a lot of
underground facility here as well, underneath this
large concrete pad. There's a necessity for a great
deal of cooling or least the use of coolant fluidss
inside the building. I can't draw the inside of the
building unless I really go to a specific area
because it is just a morass, a great mass of or mix
of personnel and activity and equipment. This is
rack after rack after rack of these square wave
analyzing of oscilloscopic type devices and people
going here and there and adjusting things, and wires
everywhere and cables and it's just a mass of
electronics in this place. So I can't really do
that, I could probably go back in and pick out a
specific area and try to put something together,
but --
# 66:
I understand.
#01:
From this session, I can't do that.
I guess that's
about it. The personnel are a mix
of technicians
and engineers and some, you know,
common labor
types, but --
# 66:
How was it, I think you said something very curious,
how was it you told the difference, what was the
basic difference between --?
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#01:
The basic differences that were in different colors.
#66:
The clothing is a different color?
#01:
Yeah, the clothing is primarily different colors.
There's only two types of clothing I'm seeing, I'm
seeing like coveralls, zip-up coveralls and suits
and they're all different colors.
Okay .
#66:
#01:
The activity
is predominantly a
collection,
targeting type activity with electronics apparently
aimed at or received from a satellite system which
is made up of ten to twelve satellites in fixed
orbit acting as a net.
Has something to with
location or targeting or something to that effect.
And it is a very low attitude to reflector on the
horizon, it's like over the horizon type stuff. The
equipment
is predominantly analyzing
type
equipment. Equipment breaking out multichannels,
square wave type signals or translating square wave
multichannel type signals.
#66:
All right.
#01:
Mix channel or spread channel, spread something,
don't know.
So that's essentially it.
#66:
Okay, fine.
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AGENT REPORT
For use of this form, see FM 30-17(C); AR 381-20; the proponent agency is the Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence.
1. NAME OF SUBJECT OR TITLE OF INCIDENT
2. DATE SUBMITTED
3. CONTROL SYMBOL OR FILE NUMBER
HU-1033/8308/01
4. REPORT OF FINDINGS
SITE G
On 23 August 1983, Source HU-01 was interviewed concerning
personnel, activities, and equipment within an unidentified
building.
Source stated substantially as follows:
Inside the building there were several floors, open bays
and exposed structural steel. Electronics with plates and
wire grids (not further identified) and cooling tubes or pipes
were also present.
The building was associated in some way
with a very large reflector which pointed west (not further
identified) .
East of the building there may have been underground
storage tanks (not further identified) and an underground
structure with "more equipment, more electronics" (not further
identified) . There may have been corridor type tunnels to the
main building from here.
Personnel
in
the building were both
military and
civilian.
Approximately 20% of the personnel wore white
"coveralls" a
and 80% "dark suits, coveralls"
(not further
identified) .
The color of clothing determined their job,
"engineer versus technician" (not further identified) .
Activity in the building involved the intercept and
measurement of multichannel square wave signals (not further
identified)
from perhaps as many as ten to twelve US
satellites in fixed orbit acting as a net (not further
identified) . This activity involved the use of "regenerating
reflectors" (not further identified) with "low horrizon
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attitude" orientation outside the building and "oscilloscopic
type devices" (not further identified) by personnel inside the
building.
The highest level of activity was between 2200
hours and 0700/0800 hours (local target time) .
No further amplifying information concerning SUBJECT was
obtained from Source during this interview.
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