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CENTER LANE Interview Summary - CL-1018/8305/01 (U)
1.
(S/CL-3/NOFORN)
On 260800 May 1983, source #01 was interviewed by
#66 in an attempt to obtain
information relevant to a meeting
scheduled for 26-27 May 1983.
The project 8305 sponsor had provided
the names of the parties of the scheduled meeting and the name of the
meeting location.
2.
(S/CL-3/NOFORN)
For this interview the participants at the
meeting were unknown to source and were identified only as Person A
and Person B. The names of these individuals were sealed in envelopes
and the envelopes were labled A and B. The location name and map
showing the location were sealed in an envelope and the envelope was
labled C. Source was asked to describe the meeting between A and B at
location C on 26-27 May 1983. No further information was provided to
source as the collection plan called for the use of this information
as "feedback" and cuing for possible subsequent interviews.
3.
(U) A transcript of the interview was prepared (see Incl 1) .
4.
(U)
A DA Form 341 (Agent Report) was prepared for the sponsor.
This report related the salient points of the interview (see Incl 2).
2 Incl
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Indias H. Tilwater
FREDERICK H. ATWATER
CPT, MI
OPS/TNG Officer
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#66:
This will be a CENTER
LANE
Interview for 0800
hours 26 May 1983.
Relax and concentrate now.
Focus your attention, your awareness on the A, B, C
event of today, 26 May 1983 and describe this
A, B, C event to me.
PAUSE
#01:
See a .. person walking along the a ... flat area of
a ... a ... this old wharf
area .
With cranes and
things on the left.
Walking towards a .... some
kind of small building.
See a .. cargo or
something. Just see loading equipment and cargo.
Got two ... three people
walking .... right into
a ... small office area.
... They're getting into a
car
now and they're ... driving through
some
gates .... It's a city by water .
# 66:
All
right .
I'm interested, as you know, I'm
interested particularly in the event of person A
and person B.
Check and
be
sure
those
personalities are present.
#01:
Um .. just B is present.
Driving ..... driving in a
car, just a minute.
. The meeting place is
a ... much concrete, a lot of concrete, .. it's tall
walls of concrete, .. open ... a ... open raised area,
like. . a mall or a .... it's giant that's concrete,
big buildings, tall.
#66:
Focus on the meeting.
#01:
... Still looking for "A" ..
#66:
I will wait.
#01:
.Going into the tall building and .... going to
like the third floor .. . passing into a large room.
.. See A. . he's got some people with him too.
.... See .... see A and B, perhaps 6 or 7 others.
Meeting is a ... first time.
Appears to be friendly .
#66:
Tell me about the meeting.
#01:
They're in this room and it's sealed .. no windows.
It's being guarded by other people.
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#66:
All right. Now take a minute to go deeper, so
that you can be there at the meeting. You've
given me a lot of good observational things. Take
a minute now to go deeper into the meeting
itself.
I will wait.
#01:
. It's all a preliminary meeting.
It's
like a .. conditional meeting.
They're
laying
ground work for later meetings.
. . See a .... some
form
of .. discussion
or . . negotiation
for
exchange .... Talking
about .... changes
in
a
position.
. . Ah. . this involves a
third
party.
. . . Ah . . has
to do with
a .... a .. elimination
of
a. . power base of a third party.
Great deal of
money involved.
... Exchange for taking something
from a third party.
.. But it's not an object,
it's a .... it's a power of some
kind .. effectiveness.
It's like person
B
is
selling out person not present .. to person A .
# 66:
Okay .
Continue through the meeting and describe
the attitude of the person A, the person B.
#01:
Just
a
minute.
. Person
A
is ... a
a ... very .. um ... manipulative ... soft
spoken ;
B
is ... almost
a
spilt
personality .. type
person .... His attitude is ... a ... one of pretension
a ... portrayal, whatever is necessary.
# 66:
Okay .
Rather than a personality profile, I'm
interested in the ebb and flow of the tide of the
meeting itself.
#01:
Okay, just a minute.
... A .. much discussion, much
argument about .. third person and degree of
power . . desired to be maintained. Ah .. lot of give
and take proposals .. but a .. I don't ... I get an
impression of ... longer they discuss it, the more
farther apart they become.
It becomes more
disagreeable.
Person B is . . extremely aggressive ..
fanatical ... a ... see a culmination
of
severe
spilt ... pending a, pending a ... aggressive. . pending
deterioration of a. . agreement.
I don't see any
success .
Constant tugging and pulling .. this
meeting.
#66:
Describe the end of the meeting to me.
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#01:
.... See a. . A person. . attempting reason at all the
way to end.
B person is. . threatening, .. very
threatening, .. stomps out of the room ...... issues
threats
and
leaves.
A
person . . . apparently
frustrated but not .. doesn't appear
to
be
threatened,
just frustrated
at the .. inability
to ... agree.
Get
an
overall
taste
that
a ..... agreement
is
necessary
to .. stability
somewhere, but it's
a very. . oblique impression,
it's like more political stability than. . factual.
It's like a. . splitting of command or something.
See some involvement of other people .. in the
talk .
Each
brought other people to. . aid their
arguments .
.
.See failure of the meeting.
#66:
All right.
I have a couple of questions for you.
#01:
Okay .
# 66:
Focusing on person A, and only on person A,
describe person A to me.
#01:
Small . . a
dark skin, black
silver
in
hair .. thick mustache, .. very well dressed ... Wait,
he's a ... scratch the mustache, there is no
mustache.
It's overlay, it's got many people with
him that have those, but he doesn't.
. .. Has
a ... very
disciplined appearance.
... Delicate
hands, .. even though he's the one threaten,
I
think . . he's more dangerous than B. .. . more cunning.
# 66:
All right. A is recognized, is distinguished by a
characteristic.
#01:
Just a minute.
# 66:
U.S.
Intelligence
would
know
A
by
this
description, by this characteristic.
#01:
.Keep
getting
something
about
the ... about the face.
.... Keep wanting to say
scars, but I don't see any.
#66:
Okay. Just run through your description one more
time and see what comes up.
Just take a look at
him and just give me a police like description of
him as fast as you can.
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#01:
Short, 5'5", black hair, dark skin and silver in
hair .. he's got glasses .. wire rimmed glasses .. a
light frame, .. some pock markings on the cheeks.
That's all I get .
#66:
How old would you say he is?
#01:
.. . 44 or 45 .
#66:
You say he is well dressed?
#01:
Very disciplined dresser, yes .
# 66:
All right.
#01:
Wears a closed collar. Don't see any tie though.
#66:
Now I have one other question. During the initial
phases of this meeting, you described discussions
surrounding further meetings.
#01:
That's correct.
#66:
This meeting then deteriorated away from some sort
of an agreement. My question is, do you perceive
a further meeting, a subsequent meeting?
#01:
Just a minute.
#66:
I will wait.
#01:
I
see
a .. meeting
with
a
. . counter
proposals. . 10 days,
2
weeks
from
the
first
meeting .. . but in a different
location.
See it
.B
occurring in a place. . chosen by A. . person.
. .
is absolutely essential to A, .. in some way, his
capacity
to
provide
something, .. something
esoteric.
.For
the
first meeting, A
is
unwilling .. to give what he has to give.
# 66:
Who is it that's unwilling?
#01:
A ... . think there's a mutual distrust.
B has more
distrust for A than A for B. And B is willing not
to give what A wants, . . for a price A offers.
# 66:
And the subsequent meeting?
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#01:
Things will be more fruitful.
... See a result of
the. . subsequent meeting is going to cause ... wait a
minute, I lost it, just ...... be cause for great
violence over the second meeting.
#66:
Okay .
Take a moment to collect your thoughts and
try to explain that to me again.
#01:
Try to, just a minute.
.
..
I just see like, I
see a spark of ... violence occurring as a result of
the second meeting.
# 66:
All right.
#01:
Just this ignition of violence.
#66:
Okay. The meeting is described as having fruitful
results .
#01:
That's correct.
# 66:
Results also include some spark of violence, some
act of violence occurring?
#01:
No.
Results of the meeting .. . generate violence.
# 66:
All right.
That's good the word generate, results
of the meeting, generate violence.
#01:
That's correct.
#66:
Okay. Can you break out the term violence. What
is the raw data perceived?
#01:
. . See like a. . time period of pause ... and then a ..
just a spark of violent action, explosion,
exploding into violent action all over.
I don't
know how to explain that .
# 66:
Okay,
that's fine. Okay,
we've covered
an
encounter between A and B on the 26th, today, 26
May 83, a meeting and then a subsequent meeting.
I have no further questions, but I would like you
now to explore on your own. Take a few minutes
now to explore on your own beyond the confines of
my questions.
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#01:
It's
like
the
first meeting
is .. all
maneuver ... feeling each other out .. lot of pushing
and pulling to see limits of each other.
To B,
the second meeting is a ... more fruitful . . . . That's
all I get.
# 66:
All right, fine.
£
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AGENT REPORT
For use of this form, see FM 30-17(C); AR 381-20; the proponent agency is the Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence.
1. NAME OF SUBJECT OR TITLE OF INCIDENT
2. DATE SUBMITTED
3. CONTROL SYMBOL OR FILE NUMBER
CL-1018/8305/01
4. REPORT OF FINDINGS
MEETING
On 26 May 1983, Source CL-1 was interviewed concerning a
meeting scheduled for 26-27 May 1983. Participants at the
meeting were unknown to Source and were identified only as
Person
A
and Person
B.
Source described the meeting
substantially as follows:
The meeting took place in a guarded room which had no
windows. This room was on the third floor of a multi story
building located in an open or raised area characterized by
tall walls of concrete.
This city (not further identified)
was by water (not further identified) .
Source described the initial phase of the meeting as
friendly. This was a preliminary or conditional meeting in
which plans were made for later meetings. During the meeting
Person A and Person B discussed or negotiated for an exchange
(not further identified) or change in a position (not further
identified)
concerning a
identified).
The
subject of the discussion
was
the
third
party
(not
further
elimination
of a "power base" of this third party.
The
negotiation
involved a great deal of money (not further
identified) in exchange for taking something, not necessarily
an object, but more likely a "power" or "effectiveness" of
some kind (not further identified) from the third party.
Source summarized by stating, "it's like Person B is selling
out person not present to Person A. "
Later in the meeting an argument developed concerning the
"degree of power" which was to be maintained by the
unidentified third party. Many "give and take proposals" (not
further
identified) were presented but these discussions
became disagreeable. Person B was extremely aggressive. The
meeting ended with person A attempting to reason with Person
B.
Person B issued threats (not further identified) and left
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AGENT REPORT
For use of this form, see FM 30-17(C); AR 381-20; the proponent agency is the Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff for intelligence.
1. NAME OF SUBJECT OR TITLE OF INCIDENT
2. DATE SUBMITTED
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the meeting. Person A did not appear to be concerned about
Person B's threats but was frustrated at the inability to come
to some agreement at the meeting.
Source reported that agreement at
the
meeting was
necessary to stability, perhaps political
stability (not
further identified), somewhere (not further
identified) .
Source also reported that both Person A and Person B brought
other people (not further identified) to this meeting "to aid
their arguments."
When asked about a possible subsequent meeting between
Person A and Person B because of the lack of agreement at this
meeting, Source reported a meeting with counter proposals
approximately 10 days to 2 weeks from the first meeting.
Source reported that this later meeting was to take place at a
different location chosen by Person A (location not further
identified).
Source stated that Person B
was absolutely
essential to Person A in some way (not further identified), or
in his capacity to provide something esoteric (not further
identified).
During the first meeting Person A was unwilling
to give what he must, but at the subsequent meeting Source
reported "more fruitful" (not further identified) results.
In
addition, Source reported violence or the ignition of violence
(not further identified) generated by the results of the
second meeting.
Source described Person A as follows:
44 or 45 years old
Small, short, 5'5' tall
Light framed
Black hair with some silver in it.
Dark skinned
Wore wire rimmed glasses
Pock markings or scars on cheeks
Delicate hands
Very well dressed with closed collar, no tie
Very disciplined appearance
Source did not describe Person B.
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1. NAME OF SUBJECT OR TITLE OF INCIDENT
2. DATE SUBMITTED
3. CONTROL SYMBOL OR FILE NUMBER
CL-1018/8305/01
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MEETING
No further amplifying information concerning the meeting
of Person A and Person B was obtained from Source during this
interview.
AGENT'S NOTES:
Information reported by Source may be
accurate in its chronological sequence but inaccurate in the
specific date/time referenced.
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