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MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD
SUBJECT:
CENTER LANE Interview Summary - CL-1006/8305/01 (U)
1.
(S/NOFORN)
On
140900 April 1983, source #01
was
interviewed by #66 in an attempt to determine the location of
a specific item during the time window 15 - 18 April 1983.
Source was questioned concerning an area designated by the
project 8305 sponsor as being a suspected location for the
specific item. The project 8305 sponsor had provided the
geographic coordinate of the suspected location (see Incl 1).
(S/CL-3/NOFORN)
2(ck-3S/NOFORN)
For this interview source was provided the
geographic coordinate of the suspected location and asked to
focus his attention on the area on the time period 15 - 18
April 1983.
Source was not told what specific item was
suspected to be atthis location or given any other data. The
collection plan called for the use of all other information
available as "feedback" and cuing material for possible
subsequent interviews.
3. (U)
A transcript of the interview was prepared including
a narrative explanation of the drawings which source provided
(see Incl 2) .
4. (U)
A DA Form 341 (Agent Report) was prepared for the
sponsor .
This report related the salient points of the
interview.
Attached as a exhibit to the Agent Report was a
copy of source's drawings (see Incl 3) .
3 Incl
as
FREDERICK H. ATWATER
CPT, MI
OPS/TNG Officer
CLASSIFIED BY: MSG, DAMI-ISH
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Project 8305 suspect location:
SG1B
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TRANSCRIPT
# 66:
This will be a CENTER LANE Interview for 0900 hours
14 April 1983.
Concentrate now, concentrate and
focus on the area
SG1B
Move through space in present time to this area.
Move your awareness, your attention, your focus to
this place at present time and describe it to me.
#01:
. The ... it's like an industrial area of a city,
see many big buildings, flat roof tops, access
roads, rail lines, fences, southeast side of a
city .... See
a ... plant,
large plant area
that's .. wired off from the rest, its own fences.
It's got a .. inside criss-cross the road. Foundry
stacks ... have
tall
stacks ..... Tall
square
buildings ..
.
. Saw a harbor too, I think.
No. I saw a .. those are loading ramps ... long narrow
loading ramps.
#66:
Describe this to me, these loading ramps.
#01:
Hmm .. it's straight. There're a ... coming off the end
of .. a raised area. Got some kind of ramp going up
the side ... Long and narrow and there's .. a narrow
road running parallel.
#66:
Okay. Move up and look down so you can just see the
whole thing.
#01:
Get an impression of a. . another rail yard, but
a .. some ramps that go up parallel to the tracks,
some kind of flat roofed warehouse buildings to the
rear, parking lot shaped like a triangle, angular
shape .... Ah .. see armored vehicles
with tarps,
wrapped in canvas.
#66:
All right. Staying here, focusing here where you
are, where is the harbor from here?
#01:
. Almost due north, ah .. two kilometers, two
thousand meters, a little bit and more west than
north.
Comes in .. a bowl shape from the north.
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#66:
Okay.
Now to the, I believe you called it a
warehouse area, tell me more about this.
#01:
Part of a. . some kind of plant.
See a .... assembly
areas,
.. rows of material.
It's a place that
builds a .. builds these armored things wrapped in
canvas.
#66:
Tell me about these things wrapped in canvas.
#01:
Just a minute
These are like the tanks
yesterday.
#66:
I'm sorry, I didn't understand.
#01:
These are like the tanks yesterday, not only their
turrets are turned backwards, the barrels are
flattened ...
. . These are a. . heavy tanks.
#66:
Okay.
Move now from this area to the harbor
area, .... and focus now on the area pinpointed
the coordinates I have provided.
by
#01:
... I just see a ... square black top inside a fence
that's empty.
# 66 :
All right. Hold your focus now in this general
area, hold your focus in this general area and
prepare for time movement ....... Move now to broaden
your time window to include 15 to 18 April in the
target area, 15 to 18 April and describe your
perceptions to me.
#01:
. Upper left corner of my view, trains going
by .. backing in and out. .. This blacktop area is bare,
there's nothing, nothing there ..... See these trains
backing in and pulling out, upper left diagonal.
Big building ... left has got a ... a ramp that goes to
a .. a ramp goes to the ... to the ship.
I don't see
anything happening in the parking area.
# 66:
Okay, let's look over this building and the ramp and
the ship.
#01:
See a .. a ramp goes from west, northwest, parallel to
the rails terminate .. these armored tanks are .. driven
down the ramp. . straight on to the ship.
#66:
Describe armor.
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#01:
Same as before, the large tanks.
#66:
All right.
In this group of armor, we are looking
for something special, something different. Examine
very carefully to see if there are items that are
different from the others.
Explore the inventory.
#01:
. See three are different.
#66:
Describe.
#01:
Just a minute.
#66:
I will wait.
#01:
. There're lower, have heavy plate on the
sides. The end of the turret is narrower.
Seems to
be more squared .... it's more of a protruding "V" in
the front .. and a plate under it ..... And the turret
is farther back from the center. Seems to be
lighter, looks lighter, but it's stronger .....
#66:
Describe this scene as you discovered these three
different objects.
#01:
They are brought from inside the building and loaded
on the ship. They're like stored there and they are
loaded on the ship, like the others.
#66:
The others also came from the building?
#01:
No.
Others came from the train ...
# 66:
Describe ship.
#01:
Front nose lifts up .. as a ramp .. Ship looks like
a ... medium
size cargo vessel. Dominant color is
light blue.
It's got deck cargo space, as well.
# 66:
Describe position on ship, storage of items.
#01:
On the last, last deck down, just rear of center
line ....... seems to be more things on the ship than
armor .
#66:
Describe.
#01:
... See pallets with .. a ... many things like .. a. . repair
parts equipments, inventory of .. engine apparatus,
generators ..... many
kinds
of .. war
type
equipment .. general supply ship. . feeling.
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#66:
Break out war type equipment.
#01:
.. Crates of ammunition, shells, large caliber, .. a
.
. . submachine
guns. . explosives,
rocket
launchers .... it's across the board arms shipment.
Seems like there's, just a minute ....... Impression
of .. mostly light arms, .. mixed with a. . heavies .. some
cannons, towable cannons.
#66:
A11
right .... Now remembering
very carefully,
remembering the time window of 15 to 18 April, the
time window from 15 to 18 April, go deeper now, go
deeper into the problem, deeper beyond the limiting
confines of my questions, deeper still and explore.
#01:
Get
an impression that's probably
overlay.
Get an impression of a direct assault on
this ship, ... within the site of ... beach that's got
much green ... some kind of slow moving .. fighter
aircraft and smaller patrol boat type. . boats.
I
can't tell if it's overlay, I get a feeling like
it's ... more thought than real.
#66:
All right.
#01:
. .. Very far away feeling when I get that.
Guess not
a complete picture.
....
. That's all I got.
#66:
Okay. Remembering the perceptions you have had so
that you may draw for me accurately and completely,
let's now prepare to draw.
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#01:
Okay, my drawings are page #1 which is a general
overlay of the entire area, the harbor, the industry
and the city, beaches.
#01:
Page 2 is a more detailed drawing of the harbor area
which is missing some detail, but gives the general
layout of where the ship is actually located and
where the heavy tanks arrive from and where the ones
came from that were different. And specifies
location of those three different tanks in the hole
of the ship. That's only view of the ship I could
do.
# 66:
Okay. I'd like to interrupt you for a minute.
this ship made up of multiple decks?
Is
#01:
Absolutely.
There's other decks. The things that
are being loaded into the ship, are being loaded
into the lower deck, next deck up from the bilge.
And those incidentaly are stored just forward in the
engine room.
#01:
Page #3 is a artistic rendering of this different
kind of tank and it conceptually presents the ideas
of the differences between these three tanks and the
normal heavy tanks that are being loaded, arriving
and are being loaded on the ship. I wish I could do
this better. But I'm just getting a concept of this
tank, the differences and that's essentially it.
#66:
Okay.
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BEACHES (BLACK ROCK)
VERY LIGHTLY POPULATED
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BEACHES
(BLACKROCK )
ENCLOSED
BAY
(1)
MILITARY
HARBOR
CIVILIAN
HARBOR
LIGHT INDUSTRY
PART CITY
OLUNLT
(5)
PRIMARY
CITY AREA
(3)
HEAVY
INDUSTRY
- SHIP
2 ) - OFFLOADED FROM TRAINS .
(3)- TANKS LOADE & SITTING ON RAIL CARS.
(4) - THANKS STORED IN BLOG/ MOVED
( 5) - PLANT AREA DESCRIBED.
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WARF
(LARGE HEAVY THANKS ARRIVE HERE )
LOAD OFF
LOAD
RANN
LOAD/ OFF LOAD
RAMP
THREE DIFF.
THANKS.
WATER
CE
1
LOADING RAMP .
story
WARF
1
ROAD.
OLUND
CRET
ROAD
ONLY VIEW
OF SHIP I
CAN DRAW.
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BUILDING
WHERE 3 THANKS
STORED
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EQUIP/PARKING
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SEEMED TO BE LICHTER,
LOOKS LICHTER - BUT
IS STRONGER THAN HEAVY
THANKS.
ARTISTIC RENDERING OF WHAT
I SAW. NOT COMPLETELY ACCURATE
IN DETAIL BUT REPRESENTS
THE CONCEPT / IDEA OF WHAT
I SAW AS A DIFFERENT
KIND OF TANK.
MORE SQUARED
REAR THAN OTHER TANKS
25.
MUCH
LOWER.
PROFILE
THAN OTHER TANKS
PRESENT
1
1
SIDE ARMOR PLATE
FLATER TURRET
SEET BACK FROM
FRONT MORE.
HEAVY DOWNWARD
DEFLECTION PLATE.
PROTRUDING
V' SHAPED
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AGENT REPORT
For use of this form, see FM 30-17(C); AR 381-20; the proponent agency is the Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence.
1. NAME OF SUBJECT OR TITLE OF INCIDENT
SG1A
2. DATE SUBMITTED
3. CONTROL SYMBOL OR FILE NUMBER
CL-1006/8305/01
4. REPORT OF FINDINGS
On 14 April 1983, Source CL-01 was interviewed in an
attempt to determine the location of a specific item during
the period 15 through 18 April 1983.
Source was questioned
concerning a designated area suspected of being the location
of the specific item.
Source stated substantially as follows:
Source described an industrial area on the southeast side
of a city (drawing 1).
Source reported a large plant area,
many large buildings with flat top roofs, rail lines and/or a
rail yard, warehouse buildings, foundry stacks, and a harbor
area.
In the warehouse area there were armored vehicles, heavy
tanks (not further identified) which may have been built at
the nearby plant. The armored vehicles appeared to be
covered with tarps or wrapped in canvas. Source described the
warehouse area as part of a plant, approximately 2 kilometers
from a harbor.
In the harbor area (drawing 2) there was a medium size
cargo vessel (not further identified) .
Sometime during the
period 15 through 18 April 1983, this ship loaded heavy tanks
(not further identified) brought by rail car from the
warehouse area described above, and three tanks (not further
identified), different from the others, which were brought
from a nearby building where they had been stored.
Source
presented an artistic rendering of these different tanks in
Drawing 3. Also loaded was military equipment to include, but
not limited to, repair parts for engines and generators (not
further
identified), crates of ammunition (not further
identified), large caliber shells (not further identified) ,
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5. TYPED NAME AND ORGANIZATION OF SPECIAL AGENT
6. SIGNATURE OF SPECIAL AGENT
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AGENT REPORT
For use of this form, see FM 30-17(C); AR 381-20; the proponent agency is the Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff for intelligence.
1. NAME OF SUBJECT OR TIILE OF INCIDENT
SG1A
2. DATE SUBMITTED
3. CONTROL SYMBOL OR FILE NUMBER
CL-1006/8305/01
4. REPORT OF FINDINGS
submachine guns (not further identified), and towable cannons
(not further identified) .
No further amplifying information was obtained from Source
during this interview.
Attached hereto as EXHIBIT
I
are drawings provided by
Source.
AGENT'S NOTES:
Information reported by Source may be
accurate in its chronological sequence but inaccurate in the
specific date/time referenced.
5. TYPED NAME AND ORGANIZATION OF SPECIAL AGENT
6. SIGNATURE OF SPECIAL AGENT
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FILE NUMBER:
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BEACHES ( BLACK ROCK )
VERY LIGHTLY POPULATED
BEACHES
( BLACK ROCK )
ENCLOSED
BAY
MILITARY
HARBOR
CIVILIAN
HARBOR
LIGHT INDUSTRY
PART CITY
(5)
PRIMARY
CITY AREA
(3)
HEAVY
INDUSTRY
(1) - SHIP
( 2 ) - OFFLOADED FROM TRAING .
( 3 ) - TANKS LOADE & SITTING ON RAIL CARS .
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WARF
( LARGE HEAVY TANKS ARRIVE HERE )
LON/OFF
LOAD
LOMO/OFFLOAD
RAMP
RAM
THREE DIFF.
TANKS.
WATER
CE
LOADING RAMP.
BUILDING
WHERE 3 TANKS
STORED
OLOALT
WARF
-
ROAD.
ULUALT
SCORET
ROAD
ONLY VIEW
OF SHIP I
CAN DRAW.
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1
LARGE
EQUIP/PARKING
TERAP STORAGE
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SEEMED TO BE LICHTER,
LOOKS LICHTER - BUT
IS STRONGER THAN HEAVY
THANKS.
ARTISTIC RENDERING OF WHAT
I SAW. NOT COMPLETELY ACCURATE
IN DETAIL BUT REPRESENTS
THE CONCEPT / IDEA OF WHAT
I SAW AS A DIFFERENT
KIND OF TANK.
MORE SQUARED
REAR THAN OTHER TANKS
OLUALT
OLUNET
MUCH
LOWER.
PROFILE
THAN OTHER TANKS
PRESENT
SIDE ARMOR PLATE
-
FLATER TURRET
SEET BACK FROM
FRONT MORE.
PROTRUDING
V' SHAPED
HEAVY DOWNWARD
DEFLECTION PLATE.
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