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MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD
SUBJECT:
CENTER LANE Interview Summary - CL-1005/8305/01
(U)
1.
(S/NOFORN)
On
130900
April 1983,
source #01
was
interviewed by #66 in an attempt to determine the location of a
specific item during the time window 15 - 18 April 1983.
Source was questioned concerning an area designated by the
project 8305 sponsor as being a suspected location for the
specific item. The project 8305 sponsor had provided the name
of the suspected location and the nomenclature of the specific
item (see Incl 1).
(S/CL-3/NOFORN)
2 GL 3| S/NOFORN }
For this interview source was provided a sealed
envelope containing the name of the suspected location and the
nomenclature of the item in question. Source was asked to
focus his attention on the location designated in the sealed
envelope and describe the area as of the time window of 15 - 18
April 1983.
Source was not told the name of the designated
location, the nomenclature of the specific item, or given any
other identifying data.
The collection plan called for the use
of this information as "feedback" and cuing material for
possible subsequent interviews.
3.
(U)
A transcript of the interview was prepared including a
narrative explanation of the drawings which source provided
(see Incl 2).
4.
(U)
A DA Form 341 (Agent Report) was prepared for the
sponsor .
This report related the salient points of the
interview.
Attached as an exhibit to the DA Form 341 was a
copy of source's drawings ( see Incl 3) .
3 Incl
as
Inderies A. Cilantro
FREDERICK H. ATWATER
CPT, MI
OPS/TNG Officer
CLASSIFIED BY: MSG, DAMI-ISH
DTG: 051630ZJUL78
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Target ID
and Item Nomer
St.1110
Sooled
EnveloRa
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TRANSCRIPT
# 66:
This will be a CENTER LANE Interview for 0900 hours
13 April 1983.
Concentrate now, concentrate and
focus this concentration, this awareness on the
location designated in the sealed envelope I've
provided.
Move now this awareness, this focus, move
your awareness to a location, move through space and
time to the location, 15 through 18 April, 15
through 18 April, awareness only of this area and
this time. Describe your perceptions to me.
#01:
..
I got a compound ... it's a fenced compound ....
hmm,
impression of a ... wide, flat roof building.
It's very long. inside another fence .... Fences are
concertina wire rolled out ..... See rows of, looks
like, heavy tanks parked in rows.
# 66:
Stop. Describe to me your relative position as you
perceive this area.
#01:
I just came through a gate. And it's on my left
this parking lot.
It's like a fence inside a fence,
inside a compound.
#66:
Go on.
#01:
Get an impression of lots of canvas and wood
framings, it's more of a semipermanent type thing.
# 66:
Tell me more about the tanks.
#01:
Ah. . these .. very big .. parked in rows, got a ... turrets
look like large shells ... of turtles, narrow nose on
turret, very flat thick area in the back.
It's like
a ... some kind of grid or grill on top of the back.
There's a big gun ... . hmm ... just a minute.
# 66:
I will wait.
#01:
. There's some kind of tube, an encasement type of
thing down the side .. all fastened in the same
place ... got a .... double hatch, one center forward
and .. one rear right.
Inside's cut up into three
compartments .... Just
a
minute.
...
a
.
. Get
perception of some kind of detachable travel fuel
tank .. for longer range. These are covered with
a ... these tanks are covered with some kind of .. okra
colored dust, but they're a -- new
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# 66:
Excuse me --
#01:
-new.
#66:
You talk about a tank for long distance, and yet
you're talking about a vehicle called a tank, I
don't understand.
#01:
Fuel tank.
#66:
All right.
Is the fuel tank new or is the vehicle
new?
#01:
Hmm it's all new.
#66:
Obtain compound perspective as opposed to a singular
tank perspective and tell me when you're ready.
#01:
Okay, just a minute ...... Okay.
#66:
All right. Now, the number of tanks is perceptible.
#01:
Just a minute ...... Fours rows of 18 ...... very neat
rows .. it's spaced between first 9 and the second 9.
# 66:
Differences or similarities are perceptible.
#01:
All"cutsouts", they're all the same.
Look like
a .. ducks in a row.
Just don't see any difference.
#66:
I understand.
£
Now, time is perceptible.
#01:
Sun's at a. . 17 April.
Everything's reddish color,
the sun's very low, to the west.
#66:
All right.
Prepare yourself now for movement within
this area.
#01:
Okay.
#66:
Up 50 feet, up 100 feet, up 200 feet, 500 feet,
1,000, look down and describe.
#01:
Compound is an odd shape, nestled in some scrubby
hills.
Everything seems to be red oak or scrub
brush, minimal trees, almost a desert type feeling,
more gravel, hard pack. Feel like I'm .. some ... feel
like I'm somewhere east, northeast of a border area.
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#66:
All right.
Centering the compound below you,
centering the compound, describe oblique view around
the compass.
#01:
North, green hills .. south, mountains, snow is still
melting in the mountains. West ... major cities,
distance, a .... hard to tell.
#66:
I understand from your oblique perspective, east?
#01:
East, ... northeast is a city. North, northeast is a
city.
Your closer than the one in the west.
#66:
All right. Describe the compound from this altitude.
#01:
Irregular outline, tank park in the side. a ... see
tent area, I think, look like tents. See a --
#66:
Stop.
Move to compound area on the ground.
#01:
Okay.
#66:
Relax, now. Relax and absorb and become one with
your awareness.
Concentrate now, concentrate and
free yourself. Close down your perceptions of the
target, on 17 April, 17 April, now goes away as your
perceptions close down. Move now, move to 25 April,
25 April and as you once again become aware of the
compound on 25 April, describe it to me.
#01:
The only difference is that the tanks are
rearranged, some missing.
#66:
Say again.
#01:
Some are missing.
#66:
Inventory.
#01:
... Two first rows a. .. front left 9 are gone. 18
of them are gone.
Seems to be more crowded now
inside the compound.
# 66:
Raw data?
#01:
Just feels fuller. Some kind of screen has been
erected on the outside, can't tell if it's wood or
cloth. I think it's cloth. It's like to block the
view .. It's around the tank area and it's around the
front right area, kind of a mechanic's area.
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#66:
All right.
Prepare for movement exercise.
#01:
Okay.
#66:
Time, 25 April 1983, place, present location of
tanks that were moved. . 25 April.
#01:
All over I see some along side of road, ... see some
by a hill ....
# 66:
All right,
I understand your perspective, and I
don't wish to pursue my question further because I
understand what you're telling me.
Return to
compound location, 25 April.
#01:
Okay.
# 66:
I have no further questions.
But I would like to
allow you now that you're in the time window of 25
April, to describe on your own without the confines
of my questions.
#01:
. I'm going to tell you that I'm still getting
the overlay of the man in the room who dies, very
strong.
#66:
Describe this man to me.
#01:
Dark, dark hair, speckled with gray or sandy color,
very heavy mustache, mid, late forties, high
cheekbones, heavy eyebrows.
Getting a feeling of
older someway, maybe his mental state.
#66:
His height and weight?
#01:
.. 5' 6", ah ... 160-155 - medium to light build, dark
skin.
#66:
Distinguishing scars or marks?
#01:
... I don't get any, so I don't, .. have trouble with
that.
# 66:
All right.
#01:
.. Nervous, nervous condition in left eye, left eye,
something with left eye.
#66:
Describe the surroundings as you describe this man,
describe the surroundings.
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#01:
His with a .... six others in a room, fairly large.
# 66:
Describe sound in area.
#01:
Just hear a rumbling noise, a grinding noice.
# 66:
Activities of individuals in room.
#01:
Just standing by him, he's laying down.
I just get
this overwhelming sense of danger and ..
# 66:
Date time is perceptible.
#01:
.
It's 23, 21 April, somewhere in there, 21 April.
#66:
Conversation in room is perceptible.
#01:
I don't get any.
People just watching.
#66:
Move sideways in time to conversation point.
#01:
Ah .. it's a feeling of politics discussed.
Then an
argument, ah ... anger, all politic.
# 66:
Language?
#01:
... Arabic, some form of Arabic.
#66:
Break this out.
#01:
. . Not,
not
completely
Arabic,
it's a .. got
a
guttural, like Slavic,
Arabic combined.
I
don't
know.
#66:
All right.
I have no further questions.
But before
returning your perceptions to present time and my
voice, before returning your perceptions, I would
like you once again scan the compound and the tanks,
so you might render a drawing for me.
#01:
Just a minute.
#66:
I will wait.
Take as much time as you need.
#01:
Okay.
#66:
All right.
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DRAWING EXPLANATION
#01:
Page #1 is a representation of my perceptions of
this very large and very heavy tank, as best as I
can draw it. It's missing a lot of the details
simply because I just don't know how to do that,
you know.
There's so much there. I wrote
important notes down about it. The point is, this
thing is very large and very heavy, the turret is
really massive, you know, it's like almost an over
kill on turret.
#01:
Page #2 is an outline of the compound area and with
a dotted line around the sections of tanks that
dissappeared from the compound by 25 April. And I
put all the arrows showing different directions to
cities and whatnot.
And that's essentially it.
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VERY LARGE
& VERY HEAVY
NOT ALL THE DETAILS
ARE CLEAR ENOUGH TO
DRAW.
TURRET IS
VERY FAT AND
FLAT. LIKE A
TURTLE SHELL.
NOT EXACTLY LIKE
THIS BUT APPEARED
TO BE EVEN
LARGER
& FLATER.
0
SOME KIND
OF A TRAVEL
" TANK"
TUBE
INSIDE
A TUBE
LIKE A SLEEVE
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COMPOUND AREA
W / HEAVY TANKS
ON 17 APR 83.
1
1
CLOSE
CITY
MOUNTAINS
OUTSIDE
FENCE
AREA IS
GUARDED.
DIRT
MOUNDS
TRUCKS
FUEL DEPOT
TENT
AREA
CLOSE
CITY
THESE ARE
CQUE BY
25 APR 83
OPEN
ARGA
THANKS
4 ROWS OF
18 W/BREAK
BETWEEN
EACH 9 IN
THE ROW.
ENTRY .
OPERATIONAL
VEHICLE & VAN
AREA .
ENTRY.
INTERIOR
FENCE
VERY
DISTANT
CITY
SCREEN
(CLOTH ?)
BOARDER
EXTERIOR
FENCE
1 LARGE
MOUNTAINS
DISTANT CITY
2
NORTH.
(DESERT)
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AGENT REPORT
For use of this form, see FM 30-17(C); AR 381-20; the proponent agency is the Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence.
1. NAME OF SUBJECT OR TITLE OF INCIDENT
SG1A
2. DATE SUBMITTED
3. CONTROL SYMBOL OR FILE NUMBER
CL-1005/8305/01
4. REPORT OF FINDINGS
On 13 April 1983, Source CL-01 was interviewed in an
attempt to determine the location of a specific item during
the period 15 through 18 April 1983. Source was questioned
concerning a designated area suspected of being the location
of the specific item.
Source stated substantially as follows:
The designated area, which Source described in a drawing
(see drawing 2), was an odd shaped fenced compound near a
city. Of interest in the compound was an interior fenced area
containing new heavy tanks, which Source described in a
drawing (see drawing 1), parked in rows. There may have been
as many as 72 tanks parked here as of 17 April 1983.
All of
these tanks appeared to be the same to Source. As of 25 April
1983, the tanks were rearranged and some were missing.
The
missing tanks, perhaps as many as 18, had been sent to various
locations (not further identified) .
At
the end of the interview
Source volunteered the
following
information
(previously mentioned in report
CL-1003/8305/01) which may or may not be relevant to the
specific item in question or the designated area targeted in
this interview:
In a fairly large room (not further identified)
was a
Source described this man as follows:
man.
5' 6" tall
155-160 pounds
Medium to light build
Dark hair, speckled with gray or sandy color
Very heavy mustache
High cheekbones
Heavy eyebrows
40-50 years old
Nervous condition in left eye
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INTELLIGENCE SOURCES AND
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6. SIGNATURE OF SPECIAL AGENT
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For use of this form, see FM 30-17(C); AR 381-20; the proponent agency is the Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence.
1. NAME OF SUBJECT OR TITLE OF INCIDENT
SG1A
2. DATE SUBMITTED
3. CONTROL SYMBOL OR FILE NUMBER
CL-1005/8305/01
4. REPORT OF FINDINGS
In
the
room
were six other individuals
(not further
identified) .
A political discussion in Arabic or gutteral
Slavic/Arabic developed into an argument.
Source reported
that the man described above dies possibly between 18 and 25
April 1983.
No further amplifying information concerning the specific
item in question, the designated area, or data pertaining to
the man described above was obtained from Source during this
interview.
Attached hereto as EXHIBIT
I are drawings provided by
Source.
AGENT'S NOTES:
Information reported by Source may be
accurate in its chronological sequence but inaccurate in the
specific date/time referenced.
..
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COVER SHEET
SG1A
SUBJECT:
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VERY LARGE
& VERY HEAVY
TURRET IS
VERY FAT AND
FLAT. LIKE A
NOT ALL THE DETAILS
ARE CLEAR ENOUGH TO
DRAW.
TURTLE SHELL.
NOT EXACTLY LIKE
THIS BUT APPEARED
TO BE EVEN
LARGER
& FLATER .
/
SOME KIND
OF A TRAVEL
" TANK"
TUBE
INSIDE
A TUBE
LIKE A SLEEVE
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COMPOUND AREA
W / HEAVY TANKS
ON 17 APR 83.
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NORTH.
(DESERT
CLOSE
CITY
*
MOUNTAINS
OUTSIDE
FENCE
AREA IS
GUARDED.
CLOSE
CITY
DIRT
MOUNDS
TRUCKS
FUEL DEPOT
TENT
AREA
THESE ARE
GONE BY
25 APR 83
OPEN
AREA
THANKS
4 ROWS OF
18 W/BREAK
BETWEEN
EACH 9 IN
THE ROW.
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ENTRY.
OPERATIONAL
VEHICLE É VAN
AREA.
INTERIOR
FENCE
DISTANT
CITY
SCREEN
( CLOTH ?)
EXTERIOR
FENDE
LARGE
MOUNTAINS
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