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20 April 1983
MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD
SUBJECT :
CENTER LANE Interview Summary - CL-1004/8305/01 (U)
1. (S/NOFORN) On 120900 April 1983, source #01 was interviewed
by #66 in an attempt to locate and identify a specific item of
interest. The project 8305 sponsor had provided a photograph of
the type of item of interest (see Incl 1) .
(S/CL-3/NOFORNI
2 (+3(S/NOFORN) For this interview source was provided a sealed
envelope containing the photograph provided by sponsor. Source
was asked to focus his attention on the "rail yard" which he had
reported in another interview (see CL-1003/8305/01, 110900 Apr
83) and look for the item depicted in the sealed envelope.
Source was not shown the photograph or provided any other
identifying data. The collection plan called for the use of this
information as "feedback" and cuing material for possible
subsequent interviews.
3. (U) A transcript of the interview was prepared including a
narrative explanation of the drawings which source provided (see
Incl 2).
4. (U)
A DA Form 341 (Agent Report) was prepared for the
sponsor .
This report related the salient points of the
interview.
Attached as an exhibit to the DA Form 341 was a copy
of source's drawings (see Incl 3).
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FREDERICK H. ATWATER
CPT, MI
OPS/TNG Officer
CLASSIFIED BY :
MSG, DAMI -ISH
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TRANSCRIPT
#66:
This will be CENTER LANE Interview for 0900 hours 12
April 1983 ....... Focus your attention now solely and
completely, relax, relax and focus your attention on
the area you know as the rail yard staging area.
Relax.
Focus on the area known to you as the rail
yard staging area and the events and activities of 8
and 9 April 1983.
The events of 8 and 9 April
1983.
Focus and describe your perceptions to me.
#01:
... Okay ..... See a ...... see an object with a ... an end
shaped like a four leaf clover. It's a. . . oval
in
shape, fairly long, maybe 12 feet long.
Looks like
a container, stacked 4 on a wooden platform, banded
together ..... It's cartons ....... See a .. an object
that's towed, it's got two fold out arms and wheels
that pop up off the ground.
A long straight piece
that comes up in the air.
# 66:
In a larger perspective, have you acquired the rail
yard area?
#01:
Yes.
# 66:
Tell me the scene you perceive.
#01:
Everything's being off loaded from the trains .. Moved
into the holding areas. Some things being loaded on
the trucks, being hooked up to trucks.
Crates
turned side ways on "lowboys."
#66:
All right. Now I'm going to ask you to widen the
time window, so that events from moment to moment
are no longer perceived.
A window of 24 to 48
hours, covering the whole time period 8 and 9 April
1983. As you broaden the time window and particular
activities are longer identified, focus your
attention now on the envelope I've provided.
The
object in the envelope, the item in the envelope and
return to the scene and search out a like item or
items, similar items, exactly the same as items.
#01:
Okay ... Keep seeing the belly plates of an
aircraft.
Something that looks like a bread pan,
nozzles. Can't tell if it's .... there's some kind of
exhaust coming out of it.
Impression of a ... doesn't
make any sense, but it looks like a flat tripod with
wheels mounted cock-eyed on it.
And a pointed
object standing on its end.
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# 66:
Tell me the setting in which you perceive this,
what's around the area?
#01:
See aircraft near it.
#66:
Okay. From, from here, where is the rail yard area?
#01:
It's a ... east, southeast, close enough to see, no
more than 3 kilometers.
These things are sitting in
inside circles.
# 66:
Ask yourself, the relationship between the aircraft
area and the
rail yard, ask yourself
the
relationship between the aircraft and the rail yard
area.
#01
..... There's a .... I'm having trouble finding any
relationship. Keep getting on image, keeps pounding
on me, it's a, like nozzles or exhaust nozzles or
spray nozzles .... It's a, these supplies are brought
in by rail, but they have something to do with
aircraft.
#66:
Okay. I find no relation between your descriptions
and the item of interest in the envelope. Perhaps
there is a connection that I don't understand.
#01:
I don't a.
#66:
Let's set
aside
this perception and try to
understand it later.
#01:
That's fine.
#66:
And focus now on the envelope and let's focus on the
envelope and describe the item in the photograph in
the envelope. Then we will search for that item.
Focus only on the envelope and describe the item in
the photograph.
#01:
.Just see a white cylinder.
#66:
From what perspective do you see this white cylinder?
#01:
Laying down, just a long white cylinder. I'm trying
get a .. , I don't have anything to lay against in
size, but --
#66:
I understand.
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#01:
Just a minute.
. It's a. . fairly large, 80 feet,
70 feet, somewhere in there, seems like.
# 66:
Okay.
I want to check one more time here, not to
describe the picture itself, but using
the
photograph in the envelope and describe the actual
item through the photograph, access and describe the
actual item.
#01:
...
. See a rocket on a slanted launcher.
It's got
stubby little tail fins. It's very fat.
#66:
Okay.
#01:
It's not a. . it's not an ... anti-aircraft type rocket,
it's more of a ..... hmm, I want to say long range,
but it's like short range, salt type rocket, 800,
900 kilometers.
I'm not getting any of these at
the site.
#66:
Okay.
Now I have no further questions for you, but
I would for a moment like to have you review the
images you've had.
I can tell by your voice that
you, you know, you lost your concentration a little
bit. But I 'd like you to review for a moment,
while you're still relaxed, and as you review, tell
me any things that sometimes happens during these
interviews, that you throw out overlay, because
you're sure that isn't right.
#01:
I get a ... strong impression of. . parts being at the
target area. I don't see entire object, I see parts
of it ... part here and a part there .... Seems the most
common items is the exhaust parts, the nozzles, they
have distinct design.
# 66:
You seem to have described those today, yes.
#01:
I keep going to those for some reason. I see those
at the target site, but I don't see a complete item
like in the envelope.
#66:
Okay.
#01:
It's the only common thing I could find, everything
else is pieces.
#66:
Okay.
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#01:
There's one other thing ..... The thing in the
envelope, I see in a like a slant rear launcher on a
truck, a large, large truck. . I don't see any of
those trucks at the target.
I see a tripod type
apparatus that I .... keep wanting to turn into that
truck. I can't, it's just a tripod. It has some
commonality there, but I don't know what it is.
Could be it's the same function.
#66:
Okay. Anything else?
#01:
Yes, the aircraft there, support aircraft. Ah --
#66:
Break that out.
#01:
First impression was .. these objects defend the
aircraft, but it's backwards, the aircraft defend
the objects.
#66:
Okay.
#01:
That's all I got.
#66:
Okay, fine.
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DRAWING EXPLANATION
#01:
Okay. These are pretty much explanatory. Page #1,
I rendered a, these are bits and pieces that I was
getting. (A) is one view of my clover design. (B)
is the bread pan shape. It seemed like it was big
fat slab of something, I don't know.
But it was
molded and rounded and everything.
(C) is a nozzle
that moves around. I got a feeling of exhaust or
spray or something coming from it, but it's afixed
to a, like a heavy metal plate of some kind and it's
rotatable, you know, it moves around, points in
different directions and sprays something or has an
exhaust or something like that.
#01:
Page #2 is a, I don't want to call this anything
except a concept. But I got the feeling like that
this was over near
the aircraft area and has
something to do with targeted object.
#01:
Page #3 are more clover leaves. It's like a design
or pattern on something. And then I had the item
(F) which are my white tubes or containers. I felt
like they were hollow or something.
They held
something in them and they were banded together in
fours.
#01:
In page #4, I tried to render the truck with the
launcher, but it's not coming out as a truck and a
launcher. It's not like that, it's different.
It
has something fat sitting on the launcher. And I
keep trying to make it into a rocket and I can't, I
keep coming up with something stubby and I just
can't do it right, I can't render it justice, so,
you can do whatever you want with that.
I understand. Anything else?
# 66:
#01:
No, that's all. Oh, well, I have, I have a really
strong feeling, an impression that the targeted
envelope, okay, is, I don't know, maybe it's a
doctored photograph, if it's really a photograph.
But I get a really strong concept feeling like.
I
don't know how to explain that, like I'm getting
into somebody's head when I targeted that envelope
today.
It's was like I was getting conceptually
into somebody's head and trying to get from them
their concept of what the target is, that kind of
thing. That's all I have.
# 66:
Okay.
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NOZZEL
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AGENT REPORT
For use of this form, see FM 30-17(C); AR 381-20; the proponent agency is the Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence.
1. NAME OF SUBJECT OR TITLE OF INCIDENT
SG1A
2. DATE SUBMITTED
3. CONTROL SYMBOL OR FILE NUMBER
CL-1004/8305/01
4. REPORT OF FINDINGS
On 12 April 1983, Source CL-1 was interviewed in an
attempt to locate and identify a specific item of interest.
Source was asked to describe the events and activities of
the location known to him as the rail yard staging area
during the period of 8 and 9 April 1983.
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Source stated
substantially as follows:
During 8 and 9 April 1983, trains were off loaded in the
rail yard and equipment (not further identified) was moved
into holding areas and/or loaded on "lowboys" or trucks (not
further
identified).
Source also described an area
approximately 3 kilometers away which was near some aircraft
(not further identified) and had objects (not further
identified) sitting inside circles.
Source described some
of the objects as white tubes, possibly 12 feet long,
stacked in groups of 4, and banded together. The end of the
object or stack looked like a 4 leaf clover.
Source
describe another object as being towed, with 2 fold out
arms, wheels which came off the ground and a long straight
piece that raised up into the air. Source provided drawings
(see EXHIBIT I) of these objects and others which he
reported as being supplies brought in by rail but having
something to do with aircraft.
No further amplifying information concerning the events
and activities of the rail yard on 8 and 9 April 1983, was
provided by Source during this interview.
Attached hereto as EXHIBIT I are drawings provided by
Source.
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6. SIGNATURE OF SPECIAL AGENT
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1 APR 52
341
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