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CENTER LANE Interview Summary - HU-1029/8307/01 (U)
1.
(S/CL-3/NOFORN) On 260900 July 1983, source #01 was interviewed
concerning three areas designated to him as areas "F", "G", and "H"
within a group of unidentified buildings. The project 8307 sponsor
had provided geographic coordinates of the buildings, a photograph of
the buildings, and a map showing their relative location (see Incl 1) .
2.
(S/CL-3/NOFORN)
For this interview source was shown the
photograph provided by sponsor. Other information provided by the
sponsor was not shown to the source as the collection plan called for
its use as "feedback" and cuing material for possible subsequent
interviews .
3. (U) A transcript of the interview was prepared including a
narritive explanation of Source's drawing (see Incl 2) .
4. (U) A DA Form 341 (Agent Report) was prepared for the sponsor .
Attached to the report as EXHIBIT I was a copy of Source's drawing.
This report related the salient points of the interview. (see Incl 3) .
3 Incl
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Indows H. Otwarte
FREDERICK H. ATWATER
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#66:
This will be a CENTER LANE Interview for 0900 hours
26 July 1983. Focus your attention now, focus on
the areas "F", "G", and "H" indicated in the
photograph I've shown you and describe these areas
to me.
PAUSE
#01:
See a ... a
workshop .. . a
X-ray, ... photographing
through things ..... wall with .... beakers, test tubes,
sinks .... It's in the "F" building.
........ Bottles
of chemicals.
..
The top tables, .. stone, stone
tables .
#66:
Work from the upper floors down in area "F".
#01:
. . . Many
small
rooms, ... two
to
three
people, ... writing papers, working on papers.
Many
book shelves in these rooms.
.. See a ... resident
type apartments, .. lower floors ... go into the "G"
area.
.Very like a .... like
a .... research
something.
# 66:
Review your perception of area "F" from the top
down .
Summarize.
#01:
. . It was backwards, had a
.. residence type areas,
top, ... two
layers,
rooms
. . Next
layer
is
a ... chemicals, chemical lab, place with X-ray,
sinks,
beakers, ... stone,
stone ... desks,
stone
tables.
. . In
the next
layer, part
of
"G", .. ah, .. office .. areas, three people, two people,
paper ,
bookshelves, stacks of materials, desks,
chairs, ... many, many of these.
#66:
And next floor down in area?
#01:
That's all I get .
#66:
Okay. Now in these office areas, describe personnel
activity and equipment.
#01:
.
. . Reading and writing ... analysis
type work;
papers, folders, books.
#66:
Break out word analysis.
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#01:
It's analysis, research papers, books, ... folders,
data bits, information, .. it's all incomplete.
# 66:
Okay .
Activity is described, describe personnel.
#01:
. Military, civilian mix. Seems to be more
military, ... all uniforms ... predominately women .
# 66:
Women military, women civilian?
#01:
Both,
women are predominantly civilian, men is
predominantly military.
# 66:
All right.
Now, equipment --
#01:
-- Folders.
# 66:
Equipment office area of "F" .
#01:
Just folders, papers, books, desks, file cabinets,
bookshelves.
.Strong feeling of some kind
of analysis ... mixed with administrative work.
# 66:
All
right.
Now, you said before that this was
connected in some way with area "G"?
#01:
Yes .
# 66:
All right, let's move now to area "G" and scan from
the top down area "G" .
#01:
.Top
floors .... rooms ... wait
a
minute ..... The upper two, three floors are all
alike, not small rooms, not large rooms, moderate
size, all full of people, five to eight people to a
room, ... long desks, not desks, long tables, like
desks.
·
.. Stacks of papers everywhere, .. large
stacks, all copies things, things written, said
.
#66:
I'll give you a few minutes now to focus intently on
these areas and describe the activity that takes
place here.
#01:
. (mumble)
identifications .... and ... information,
people
oriented information.
Filing .. index
files, people
and groups of people.
# 66:
Okay .
(mumble) raw data, break out the physical
activity taking place.
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#01:
·
.Marking
... individual papers with
blocks,
writing notes, transcribing notes, files ...
papers .
filing
#66:
Okay .
If I understood you right, the upper two or
three floors have similar activity going on and
these rooms have stacks of papers on which these
sets of people work on and do the activity with
these papers that you've described?
#01:
Yes .
#66:
All
right .
Now describe the people themselves,
personnel .
#01:
Mostly ... civilian, like dressed in some
uniform way.
.. I don't understand it.
#66:
All right. Now, male or female?
#01:
Both, .... both .
#66:
Okay .
Now we talked about the activity and we've
talked about the personnel participating in the this
activity; equipment, equipment in these rooms on the
upper floors of "G"
#01:
None, just papers, files, folders.
#66:
All right.
#01:
Some typewriters, .. seems .. there's direct connection
with equipment though I can't identify.
#66:
Tell me about the typewriters.
#01:
Standard manuals, .... some
remote or far
away
equipment connection
# 66:
All right. Now, before we go down in floors, before
we do this, I want you to take a quick look to
insure that you have, I want you to look left and
right in area "G", so that you can be assured that
you have in fact looked at all of the upper floors
of area "G", both left and right of the stairwell.
So look .
#01:
I have.
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#66:
You have?
You're sure of that, okay.
Let's move
down in floors now, down to the middle level floors,
the middle level floors in area "G" .
#01:
.See four sections, .. its all an
office,
rooms,
formally
decorated, .... sort
of
like
directors, controllers ... have, have staffs, .. others
who control somewhere.
# 66:
Okay .
You say you have it divided into four
sections, break out section.
#01:
... Just a minute. Geographic, based on geographics,
not, not country,
but
a .
.. a ... special
area
designation.
#66:
All right. I understand that the middle level, the
middle level of area "G" is broken up into four
general
sections
which pertain to geographic
locations, I assume global geographic locations?
#01:
·
.Ah, --
#66:
When you say geographic --
#01:
. . Smaller, smaller areas.
#66:
Okay, when you talk about geographic locations,
you're talking about areas of the world?
#01:
Yes.
#66:
All right.
Now, also I understand that these
offices seem to be a bit more formally decorated and
have to do with leadership and staff positions?
#01:
Yes .
# 66:
All right.
Now, in looking at these middle level
floors, break out personnel, activity and equipment.
#01:
.Same,
. . almost (mumble) , I don't know.
#66:
The four areas are generally the same, one to the
other?
#01:
Yes .
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#66:
A11
right .
These people generally
military,
civilian, men, women?
#01:
Men,
dominantly men, .... some
civilian,
some
military, but all dressed as civilians.
# 66:
All right.
Now the activity
I believe you've
described
as
being
management staff
type
activity.
Let's examine
the
equipment
characteristic of mid floors of area "G", the
level floors of area "G" .
mid
#01:
It's a. . . management,
staff, but
with control,
control type staff.
#66:
All right, very good.
#01:
Don't see any equipment, just
desks, chairs,
office, .... office type things ...
#66:
All right, do we have any secretarial support type
of equipment?
#01:
Just a minute.
.Have a .. some kind of a
special machine ... for a.
.. some
kind of special
typewriter that's ... for
a ... instruction. It's not
the right word,
it's
a .
.. passing something,
... relaying something.
..
. It's a, a, a ... changing
machine or something.
Ah ... it's complicated, it's
electronic, ... things are sent to it, ... through
it, .. before they're allowed to leave the room,
things are put through
it,
instructions ..
a ... requirements ... . has special kinds of keyboards
... and a .. adjustable ...
patch
cord squares,
.. wires, ... maybe
some
kind
of
translatings,
translate a ... controls, ... it's complicated.
£
Each
directorate has these, .. each section.
# 66:
All right. Let us move then from the mid level,
four directorates, to the lower levels, the lower
floors now of area "G" .
#01:
.They're large offices,
fancy, reception
area, ... a .. main entrance ..... kind of a .... large food
place, like cafeteria, eating place and a supply
area, .... place or store of some kind, apparently
clothing, ... see shelves of clothes.
..
. appears to
be general service area.
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#66:
Okay .
#01:
Couple large offices.
#66:
You have some large decorative offices, a reception
area and other things. Let's start with the main
entrance and describe the main entrance to me and
what goes on there, main entrance to area "G"?
# 01:
Outline white stone, double wide doors, ... gray stone
border, white walls, ... guards, a large mural on the
1
wall, left to right, picture with stars, and
a. . lines through stars, the lines connecting stars.
#66:
Tell me about the guards.
#01:
Decorative, just standing there.
. . They're armed,
ah .. they have some
kind
..... machine guns,
automatics, .. funny helmets.
# 66:
You said decorative?
#01:
No function, .. don't do anything.
# 66:
Okay, watch someone come into the building and see
what happens .
#01:
.Walked in ... in the .... low counter, with an in
and out side, and women checking some card.
# 66:
Okay. I want you to orient this lower floor, you
have some, down here from this main entrance, you
some large offices, you have an eating area, store
area. I want you to orient yourself for a few
minutes because I'm going to ask you later to draw
this main entrance area.
PAUSE
#01:
Okay .
#66:
All right .
Now, check to see if there's anything
below ground under "G", under building "G" .
#01:
There's storage areas and. . . heating equipment.
# 66:
All right.
#01:
. . . Rooms full coal, coal.
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# 66:
Okay .
Move now over to the last area, area "H" .
Starting with the upper floors of area "H" .
#01:
...
. In rooms that .... rows and rows of files, not
files but ... cases with a ...... books, some kind of
booklets or books, ... thick files of
some kind,
stacked, row after row like library
#66:
Describe these booklets.
#01:
Ah .... six inches by ten inches, half inch thick, ...
thin paper, .. . serrated in a way so they tear.
Ah .
..
# 66:
Now the setting in which you see these books, they
on library shelves or how are they?
#01:
... Stored like in a library, stacked.
# 66:
You said something about crates or something?
#01:
No crates.
.They're packed and put in
metal, protected with metal wrapping, foil.
#66:
You said something about them being packed?
#01:
Packed in foil.
...
. Packed in multiples of two.
... in a heavy .... heavy box.
.See an area
with a .... Presses, printing presses.
Closer to
ground floor .
#66:
Okay .
#01:
.
..
. . Many
different
sizes,
cutting
machines, ... (mumble), processing books
#66:
Okay. In summary then in the area "H" upstairs, we
have many, many books which are packed in foil
packets, two at a time, and below this somewhere we
have printing area and cutting, and book preparing
area and further down then in area "H" .
#01:
.See a ... lab like a .... miniaturized assembly
area of some kind, all identical desks type repair
tables .... with tools everywhere.
# 66:
Type of tools?
#01:
Tiny, small and like watch re -- , watch repair
tools.
.... Small electronic boxes like .... small,
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than
others .
.
.Strong
feeling
of
modification, .... or
alteration
would be better
choice .. of words.
#66:
The activity then
in
perceived
as
some
sort
alteration or modification to electronic boxes?
#01:
Correct.
#66:
The tools used to do this seem to be extremely small
tools, as though they were small enough to work on
watches?
#01:
Yes, very small
# 66:
All right.
#01:
There's a vault area here too.
#66:
Describe
vault area.
I'm sorry, wait just a
moment. I don't know if in the choice of words you
meant that this area was a vault area or that there
was also a vault area.
# 01:
Just a minute.
# 66:
I will wait.
#01:
I can't tell if it's in vault or out of vault, you
got to go through a vault door to get to it.
I
can't tell if it's in or out. You go through
a
vault door into area, you through vault out of area.
# 66:
All right.
#01:
It's just a wall with a vault door.
.Steel
cages, ... with multiple compartments.
# 66:
I've lost track of where you are.
#01:
Somewhere near a steel cages
with
multiple
compartments, same same floor as the lab, repairs
stuff.
#66:
Okay .
# 01:
.That's all I get .
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#66:
I have no further questions on the areas "F", "G",
and "H". I'd like you to take a moment now and
remember the main entrance area of area "G". I'll
ask you to draw that.
#01:
Just a minute.
.Ah, long building is a
garage. See long row of cars parked in it. Its the
E building.
#66:
All right.
#01:
Just
a second
.Towers
in
the
area
are
line-of-sight
communications
facilities, .... like
shielded microwave antennas.
That's all I get .
#66:
All right. Be sure you recall the main entrance to
area "G". That's fine.
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#01:
In the drawing that I drew here is the entry from
the quadrangle into area "G", bottom floor.
The
entire floor is essentially detached from areas "F"
and "H", in other words, you can't gain access to
"F" and "H" except through the staircase. And I've
indicated with an asterisk the position of the, what
I call decorative guards. These are, you know,
polished, armed, sentry type guards that stand just
inside the door and look pretty. And then there's
where the entry check is and exit check is, there's
a couple women that check some kind of card going in
and out. There's an open entry in the foyer to the
cafeteria, what I call a cafeteria, I don't know
what it is, some kind of eating area. And the
kitchen, I perceive, to be in the rear. A staircase
and the fancy offices are to the right. But you can
only gain entry to them through the entry check. On
the other side are stores and clothes, that kind of
thing, you know, like a general services type area.
Okay .
# 66:
#01:
And it seems like the stores are mostly clothes, but
they're like an exclusive store, like if you don't
work in this building, you don't have access to the
store. And that's it essentially.
Okay, fine.
#66:
#01:
And also, there's one other thing I wanted to say.
These local towers, at the end of the session, when
I went to these towers here, you know are different
from the smoke stack type towers. And I went to
this tower in particular and I perceived an emitter
and receiver type device on top of tower, so there's
some kind of relay system, communications relay
system.
#66:
#01:
Okay .
And that's it.
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WOMEN
"IN"'OUT"
KITCHEN
STAIR
CASE
CAFETERIA ?
LARGE DECORATIVE
OFFICES'
EXIT
CHECK
RECEPTION
STORES
( CLOTHES ? )
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LARGE DECORATIVE
OFFICES
MURAL
WALLS
MURAL WALL
ENTRY FROM
QUADRANGLE
1
1
DECORATIVE
BUT "ARMED"GUARDS
AREA "G" ENTRY
BOTTOM FLOOR
THIS FLOOR
IS DETACHED
FROM AREAS FÉH
EXCEPT FOR STAIRCASE.
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1. NAME OF SUBJECT OR TITLE OF INCIDENT
2. DATE SUBMITTED
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4. REPORT OF FINDINGS
On 26 July 1983, Source Z6-01 was interviewed concerning
three areas identified to him as "F", "G", and "H" within a
group of unidentified buildings.
Source stated substantially
as follows :
The top two floors of area "F" were residence type areas
(not further identified) . On the floor below this was a
"chemical lab" which had an X-ray machine, sinks, stone top
tables, beakers, and bottles of chemicals
(not further
identified) . On the floors below this there were offices which
'go into the "G" area" (not further identified). These
offices, or office areas, were large enough for two or three
people.
The activity in the offices involved "reading and
writing, analysis type work" (not further identified) . This
analysis involved the use of research papers
further
identified), data
bits (not
further
identified) ,
and
information (not further
identified)
all
of
which
was
incomplete (not further
identified) .
Personnel
in
these
offices were of a military civilian mix.
There seemed to be
more military than civilian and more women that men. When
questioned concerning equipment in these offices Source stated,
"Just folders, papers, books, desks, file cabinets, (and)
bookshelves ."
Source summarized his knowledge of these offices
by stating that they were involved in "some kind of analysis
mixed with administrative work" (not further identified) .
The upper two/three floors of area "G" were all the same.
On these floors were moderate sized rooms, five to eight people
to a room, with long tables and large stacks of papers
everywhere. These stacks of papers were written copies of
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things said (not further identified) .
Activity in these rooms
involved "marking individual papers with blocks, writing notes,
transcribing notes, (and) filing papers ."
All of this activity
seemed to have something to do with'
"identifications and
information,
people oriented information"
(not further
identified) .
Personnel working in these rooms were mostly
civilian, but were dressed in some uniform way (not further
identified) . Personnel were identified as being both male and
female.
When questioned concerning equipment in these rooms
Source stated, "None, just papers, files, (and) folders."
Source also reported the presence of some typewriters which
looked like "standard manuals" but had an unidentified direct,
remote equipment connection (not further identified) .
The
middle level floors in area "G" were divided into four sections
which represented one office (not further identified) .
In this
area there were formally decorated rooms for "directors,
controllers" (not further identified). The section divisions
were "based on geographics, not, not country, but a special
area designation" (not further identified) . These sections
appeared similar in personnel, activity, and equipment.
The
personnel were primarily men, both civilian and military, but
dressed as civilians.
The activity in
the area
was
characterized as being "management, staff, but with control,
control type staff" (not further identified) .
In addition to
general office furniture, Source reported that each directorate
had "some kind of special typewriter" which was
used for
"passing something,
relaying something."
This
"special
machine" was electronic and very complicated.
Instructions"
and "requirements" (not further identified)
were
sent through
it before they left the room.
It had special
kinds of
keyboards (not further
identified) .
It
was
"adjustable
(through the use of) patch cord squares, wires" (not further
identified) . Source provided a sketch of the lower floor of
area "G" (see attached) .
Below area "G" were storage areas,
heating equipment, and rooms full of coal.
On the upper floors of area "H" were rooms containing many
cases of booklets. These cases were very organized so that
everything was in a certain place; just as in a library, all
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S. REPORT OF FINDINGS
books are in a certain place. The booklets were approximately
six inches by ten inches by one half inch thick. The pages
were of thin paper and were serrated in a way so they could be
torn from the booklets. These booklets were packed or wrapped
two at a time in metal foil (not further identified) which
protects them.
In an area on a floor below these rooms (not
further identified) there were printing presses and cutting
machines (not further
identified) .
Somewhere in the lower
floors of area "H", perhaps the ground floor, there was a lab
or workshop in which miniaturized tools were used to modify or
alter small electronic boxes (not further identified) .
This
area may have been a "vault area" or connected to a "vault
area" because there was a wall with a vault door here.
Source volunteered, without being asked, that the "E"
building had cars parked inside it. Source also volunteered,
"Towers
in
area
the
are
line-of-sight communications
facilities, like shielded microwave antennas ."
In the towers
were emitter and receiver type devices which may serve as a
communications relay system.
No
further amplifying information concerning SUBJECT was
obtained from Source during this interview.
AGENT'S NOTES: The "chemical lab" in area "F" identified
by Source may be a dispensary or pharmacy.
Information provided by Source relevant to descriptions of
rooms or offices may be accurate independent of their locations
within buildings. Source is sometimes unable to accurately
relate the position of rooms within buildings, or the position
of a building within a group of buildings, due to the nature of
his access to a targeted area.
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