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21 March 1983
MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD
SUBJECT:
CENTER LANE Interview Summary - CL-999/8303/01 (U)
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SG1A
1.
(S/NOFORN)
On
160900
March 1983,
source
#01
was
interviewed concerning a
3.
(U)
A transcript of the interview was prepared
including a narrative explanation of the drawings which
source provided (see Incl 2) .
4.
(U)
A DA Form 341 (Agent Report) was prepared for the
sponsor .
This report related the salient points of the
interview.
Attached as an exhibit to the DA Form 341 was a
copy of source's drawings (see Incl 3) .
3 Incl
as
Frederick A. Etwhen
FREDERICK H. ATWATER
CPT, MI
OPS/TNG Officer
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TRANSCRIPT
#66:
This will be a CENTER LANE Interview for 0900 hours
16 March 1983. Concentrate now, concentrate and
focus your attention on the area in the photograph
I've shown you. Focus on this area today 16 March
1983 and describe the interior of this area to me.
#01:
.. See a .. framework of heavy pipe, flat surface
at a slight angle. See a .... section of metal floor
that's about a foot high.
. See a .. pivot of
some kind. It's like a heavy white "U" shaped claw
looking thing.
It's up and down and side to
side .... It's got a wire or a rod across the width of
the "U". It's either a thick wire or a rod.
#66:
Describe the area surrounding this.
#01
..
. See a framework of tubes ... molded together in a
pattern, .. aluminum or an alloy.
#66:
Are you in one part of the targeted area or is this
comprising the total target area?
#01:
It's the wall, the whole exterior wall ..... See wires
running up and down .. . Appears to be a .. how it is
a .. real fine wires running from the ceiling to
floor. And the "U" shape is behind that.
#66:
Describe the temperature of this area.
#01:
.
. Feeling of very normal temperature, maybe a
little cooler than normal. But I get an impression
of
extreme cold inside the pipes, these alloy
things ... One minute I get an impression of very fine
wires, vertical ceiling to floor and then I get an
impression of the wires being inside the alloy pipe.
#66:
Describe the ambient odor in this area.
#01:
.
smell ... strawberry type smell.
Smells like a .. some kind of fruit, fruity
#66:
Again, looking at the total target area, is it
sectioned off in some way or is it open on the
inside?
#01:
The only section is the floor is raised.
# 66:
Tell me about this.
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#01:
Metal plate and then there's a rectangular section
of floor to the rear and it's raised even higher.
That
supports the "U" shape arm ... Just
a
minute .... Everything is constructed of a framework
with this alloy, light like aluminum but it's not.
I want to call it plastic but it's not ... It's like a
non-conducting alloy of some kind
#66:
Are you alone in this area?
#01:
.
Yes I'm alone.
It's a hazardous area to be
in.
#66:
Your focus in now in 16 March 83.
Is this an area
of normal human occupation?
Do people work here?
#01:
No.
It's automated.
The only thing that moves is
the arm.
#66:
If I wanted to go into the area to service the arm,
how would I get into this area?
#01:
Just a minute.
. . There's a back a, there's a back
wall that's a .. a ... net kind of grid built on it.
It's like a screen and there's a section that
opens.
It's a door, but it's also part of the
grid.
It goes to an inside room. Inside room's got
a .. rows of identical electronic gadgets, like small
a, amplifiers or something, single dial.
They're
all identical, they're all small.
#66:
Okay.
Go back into the target area now and describe
the area beneath the raised floor.
#01:
. ...
. Square block, lucite plastic type things
fastened to the arms of the. . tubes running to the
floor. Stainless connectors and wires going off in
different directions.
#66:
Describe types of wires.
#01:
Heavily shielded, .. half inch across, black .. size,
size is critical for some reason.
Get impression
that they all go to the same place, but there's some
longer .
I
mean they're all the same size, but
they're, .. some are too long for the distance.
Some
.. some just make it.
# 66:
Do they all go to the same place, describe this
place.
#01:
Inside the screened room where the boxes are.
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#66:
In the target area?
#01:
.. Go through a, .. go through a duct or something
underneath the,
it's an oblong squared hole
underneath the support stand section of floor, like
in the rear.
Just all jammed through the duct.
# 66:
What's through the duct?
#01:
. . . Ah. . . through
a
... a grid.
They're all like
connected to the back of a grid and there's wiring
trees or wiring harnesses off the front of the grid,
like all of these standing, standing stacks of a .. of
boxes with dials.
£
They go to another wiring
harness, they go down through the floor. All come
together in bunches, like spaghetti, banded and
everything.
#66:
Numbered?
#01:
Wait just
a
minute ..... Seventy,
seventy-five,
there's more than that going into the, from this
seventy-five going through the floor, perhaps double
that coming into the room. Like a half of a circus
tent built inside the square box, half a round
tent ..... The only thing that moves is the arm.
#66:
Okay.
Focusing now on 16 March 1983, describe the
status of operations in this area.
#01:
....
. Just that
impression
of a .. intermittent
operation ... I think that it's operational, but not
completely tasked yet. LIke it's only a ... doing
part of what it's supposed to do, simply because it
hasn't gotten the rest of the organization of
mission.
#66:
Okay.
#01:
Parts of it are only active at certain times.
#66:
Raw data.
#01:
a .... Get impression that it only activates when it's
gotten a remote command from somewhere else.
But
it's not, it doesn't interact, it's a .. passive, it
doesn't, you know there is not a two way
communication ... Commands come from two directions,
three counting the building.
#66:
Break that out.
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#01:
I
get a vertical
triangle. .. Upper part of the
triangle is either airborne or satellite and the
bottom part of the triangle is building location and
some other earth surface location ... Then I get a
series of .. multiple vertical triangles. So it's an
impression of more than one type command at work.
This thing doesn't react, it's passive.
Reacts
mission wise, but it's still passive.
#66:
Focusing on the target area, describe the security
of the target area.
#01:
... Don't see any special alarms or anything, on the
outside area. Door on the inside area is alarmed.
On the way to it is the inside door ... That's all the
security I see.
#66:
In
reference to previous explorations of this
building, is divided into three sections, which one
of
those section
is
vested
with
security
responsibility for the target area?
#01:
.
. The middle section is in charge of security, but
the roof portion belongs to the third section, the
top section.
It's difficult .... get an impression
the third section owns more of the end of the
building now than it did, even parts of the second
section, towards the end. Ground floor section has
nothing to do with it, security or otherwise.
#66:
Focusing now solely on the target area, explore the
target area without interruption from me. Explore
and remember that you might draw the target area in
detail.
#01:
Okay.
#66:
All right.
Now I'd like you to prepare to draw the
perceptions
you've had of the target area this
morning.
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DRAWING EXPLANATION
#01:
Page #1 is a cut away representation of the area I
targeted, with the raised floor shown and the platform
shown and the back grid wall and location of the entry
door.
That's all I showed here for simplicity.
#01:
Page #2. The outside edge of the flooring supporting
the non conducting tubes, what I call grid 1 and the
grid 2, which are fine wires. And directions to go to
other pages for those.
#01:
Page #3 which is a detailed drawing of the tubes and
how they're connected to the floor and the cables
would come off of them.
#01:
Page #4, a detailed drawing of the fine wire grid and
how those are connected to the floor and the wires
coming off them.
#01:
Page #5 is the claw of the arm that rotates side to
side and up and down, but has limited movement.
And
it's totally passive.
It doesn't emit anything.
#01:
And Page #6 is where all the cables come through a
conduit under the platform into the electronic wall
type connector and then two wiring harnesses, one
going into the stacks of electronic boxes that are
alike and then the wiring harness going out through a
hole in the floor.
#66:
Do the stacks electronic boxes, is this in the
targeted area?
#01:
No, that's in the next room.
#66:
In the connecting room, Okay.
The targeted area now
and then it's up here.
#01:
Yea.
#66:
Now, you said this was a hazardous area.
#01:
I
felt like this was a hazardous area for some
reason.
Why I don't know.
#66:
You're not finding people in there sitting at desks,
working or anything.
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ENTRY DOOR
GRID WALL
RAISED PLATFORM.
PLATFORM
ABOUT CFT
OFF FLOOR
RAISED FLOOR
1ª1/2"
RAISED
FLOOR
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TUBES ALUMINUM OR
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RODS.
a
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NON-ELECTRONIC
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TUBES
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MAYBE WIRE
INSIDE ? )
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SHIELDED
CALLE
SHIELDED
CONNECTOR.
HARD
RAISED
FLOOR
PLASTIC
BLOCKS
(ALSO A GRID
LIKE GRID WALL
PACE 1)
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CONNECTOR
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FINE WIRE
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SHIELDED
CONNECTER
SHIELDED
WIRE
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TARGETED
ARCA
DUCT UNDER
PLATFORM
FOR CABLES
PLATFORM
DOOR
CONNECTOR
PATCH TYPE
WALL ( ELECTRONIC )
NUERTING
Room
Co
STACKS OF
"LIKE" ELECTRONIC
BOXES.
THROUGH FLOOR
TO
UPPER
SECTION OF
BUILDING.
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COMMAND NETWORKS
WORLD SURFACE
( AMERICA )
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FOOT BLOG
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AGENT REPORT
For use of this form, see FM 30-17(C); AR 381-20; the proponent agency is the Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence.
1. NAME OF SUBJECT OR TITLE OF INCIDENT
2. DATE SUBMITTED
SG1A
3. CONTROL SYMBOL OR FILE NUMBER
CL-999/8303/01
4. REPORT OF FINDINGS
SG1AOn 16 March 1983, Source CL-nl was interviewed concerning a
SG1A
was an open area with
a raised floor approximately one foot high. The raised floor
was made with a metal grid or "metal plate." On the outside
edge of the raised floor was a "grid" of non-conducting tubes
which may contain wires inside (drawings 2 & 3). These tubes
extended below the floor into plastic blocks with stainless
connectors attached to shielded cables.
SG1A
To the rear of the raised floor was a platform. On the
platform was a heavy rod or wire held by a "U" shaped device
that rotated side to side and up and down (drawing 5) .
Surrounding the platform was a "framework of tubes molded
together in a pattern."
Source described these tubes as being
an "alloy, light like aluminum but ... non-conducting."
Source
could not further identify or draw this framework.
This area
was further surrounded by fine wires running from the ceiling
to the raised floor. These fine wires were in a semi-circular
configuration "like a half of a circus tent" (drawings 2 & 4) .
The fine wires were connected to shielded cables under the
raised floor.
Source indicated the possibility of extreme cold inside the
tubes or pipes he described, but was unable to provide any
information as to which tubes or pipes may have had this
extreme cold inside.
The open area was connected to an "inside room" through a
door in a back wall.
The wall also contained a grid (drawings
1 & 6). In the "inside room" there were "rows of identical
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1. NAME OF SUBJECT OR TITLE OF INCIDENT
2. DATE SUBMITTED
SG1A
3. CONTROL SYMBOL OR FILE NUMBER
CL-999/8303/01
4: REPORT OF FINDINGS
electronic devices" which Source described as being similar to
small amplifiers; these devices each had a single dial and were
all
identical.
The devices (not further identified) were
connected to the adjacent open area via one-half inch diameter
heavily shielded black cables. Source stated that 150 or more
of these cables ran from the "inside room" to the open area and
75 or more cables also ran from the "inside room" through the
floor to the upper section of the main building.
Source described the newly constructed area as "automated",
"unoccupied", and as a "hazardous area to be in."
Source was
unable to say why he thought this was a hazardous area. When
questioned concerning the status of operations in the newly
constructed area on 16 March 1983, Source reported intermittent
operational activity, as the capabilities of the new area had
not been completely tasked yet.
Source reported that the
operation of the area was activated by remote command.
Source
stated that these commands came from three directions, airborne
or satellite (not further identified), and some other earth
surface location (not further identified) and the main building
(drawing 7).
Source reported that there was more than one
command network available to activate the operation of the
newly constructed area. Source emphasized several times that
"it's passive"; the operations of the newly constructed area
were passive, "not a two way communication."
SG1A
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6. SIGNATURE OF SPECIAL AGENT
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ARM APARATUS
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PATCH TYPE
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CONNECTING
Room
STACKS OF
"LIKE" ELECTRONIC
BOXES.
THROUGH FLOOR,
TO
UPPER
SECTION OF
BUILDING.
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