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HU-1044/TNG/02
#66:
This will be a CENTER LANE training interview for
0900 hours 17 October 1983.
Relax now, relax and
concentrate.
Relax and
focus your attention
slowly, carefully and completely, 0900 hours 17
October 1983.
Relax now, relax and concentrate and
focus your attention on the site. Acquire the site
and describe it to me.
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Bright.
#66:
Correct.
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.Hard.
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Correct.
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... . Slanted.
#66:
Correct.
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. .. Tall, straight.
#66:
Correct.
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Wet.
#66:
Can't feed, I'm sorry, probably correct. These are
kind of stage 2s, (delete), let's go for stage 1,
inside, outside, open closed. You get at stage 2
without stage 1 foundation.
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Outside.
#66:
Outside, correct.
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Open.
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Correct.
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. .. long.
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Correct.
Describe how you feel about this long.
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Explain feel.
#66:
Stage Is have things called feeling motion, feeling
motion. When you perceive this thing called long
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tell me how it feels to you, not in terms of stage
2 sensory things, does it, it's more in terms of
you drew something long.
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Such as flowing?
#66:
Yeah, right, that would be fine.
#02:
Hm?
#66:
That's fine, that's a motion, that's the motion
part of concept of feeling motion, so you connect,
I understand you connect long with falling, is that
correct?
#02:
Flowing.
#66:
Flowing, I'm sorry.
#02:
Do you like feeling falling better?
#66:
No.
#02:
No?
#66:
Can't feedback.
Okay, let's take a break, BILO
break.
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BIO break.
#66:
BILO break, which means we became conversational,
you lost contact with the site and began to contact.
#02:
Yes.
#66:
So we BILO located, we located our selves here as
opposed to at the site.
#02:
Uh, uh.
#66:
So it's a BILO break. Okay.
Acquire the site.
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. . . . Report.
#02:
Hard, distant.
#66:
Can't feedback. Is that a confusion break?
#02:
Confusion break.
Trying to
find words
to
describe.
It's as
though you are standing and
looking off in the distance. It's just goes on.
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#66:
Okay .
Acquire the site.
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. .. Soft.
#66:
Probably correct, stage 2.
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Rough.
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Correct, stage 2.
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Curved.
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Correct. That's a stage 3 correct, go ahead.
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Gravel.
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Correct.
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Hard surface.
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Correct.
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Gully.
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Probably correct, on the other side.
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Tall trees.
#66:
Are those visuals?
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Yeah.
#66:
Okay, AOL break.
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AOL break.
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Visual --
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Visuals, tall trees.
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Tall trees.
#66:
Are those visual?
#02:
Yeah.
#66:
Okay AOL break, visual.
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AOL break. Visuals, tall trees.
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#66:
Tall trees.
#66:
Acquire the site.
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Cold and smooth.
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Correct. Stage 2.
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Round.
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Correct. Stage 3.
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Square and angular.
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Correct.
Stage 3 .
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.
. Confusion break.
#66:
Confusion break. Declare.
#02:
I was getting a feeling of a combination of metal
and stone, like a cement, simultaneously.
And I
couldn't pick out which one to --
#66:
Is this a feeling, not a visual?
#02:
It was a feeling.
#66:
Okay, good. Confusion break, a feeling of combo of
metal
and stone,
simultaneously.
All
right?
Acquire the site.
Report.
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Flat.
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Correct.
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Rough.
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Correct.
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Curved.
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Correct.
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Divisions.
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Correct.
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Cold.
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Correct.
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Smooth.
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Correct.
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Rounded.
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Correct.
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Open.
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Correct.
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Wet.
#66:
Probably correct.
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Soft, sloping.
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Probably correct.
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.... . Stoney.
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Probably correct.
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Long, ah .. distance, bright ... angles.
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Correct.
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Gray.
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Correct.
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Red.
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Correct.
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Green.
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Correct.
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White.
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Correct.
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Black.
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Correct.
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Lines.
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#66:
Correct.
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Crossing lines.
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Correct.
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. . . Holes.
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Correct.
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.... Some shadow.
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Correct.
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Slippery.
#66:
Probably correct.
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. Break, confusion break.
#66:
Okay, declare.
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I have to give you a visual, I guess a visual break.
#66:
That's an AOL.
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AOL, AOL, I'll learn.
#66:
Go ahead.
#02:
It was like seeing the horizon, looking over a
hill, seeing the top of the hill in the sky and
nothing going down.
#66:
Okay.
Looking over the horizon.
#02:
#66:
Yeah.
What were you going to say?
Settle down. Me
#02:
#66:
Pardon?
#02:
I was telling me to settle.
#66:
Oh.
Okay, let me back up here.
You have mixed up
many stage 2s and stage 3s and I have tried to
label them so we can discuss them later, for
example, rounded, angles, soft and sloping, things
like are stage 3s. Where as red and smooth and
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cold are stage 2s. And you have mixed them up a
little, you will be disciplined there not to do
that, or at least when you do do them, you write
them down on certain parts of your paper, so that
you understand the differences between them.
It's
okay for you to receive the signals mixed up as
long as you label them on your paper in the right
places. Okay? I want you to understand that.
You
have many, many correct things. Now the reason you
probably had an AOL break is you had what's called
a change in aperture. That means you had something
to you at the site and which you felt something
that kind of changed your whole aperture.
You
became more with the site than you ever were before
and that happened when you said slippery.
Okay?
And you had what is called a change in aperture at
slippery. And then you immediately had an AOL at
seeing
the horizon.
It's very understandable.
Okay?
Um, um.
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#66:
So we're going to go back and we're going to
acquire the site now and we 've moved through many
stage Is that are correct, many stage 2s and stage
3s that are correct, so we are able to accept
signals from the stage 4 or the function or
activity that our people take when they go to this
place. What do they do there, what is the function
or activity of these things that you've been
explaining to me. So when acquire the site, we are
open now and receptive and capable of dealing with
those concepts.
Take a moment to compose yourself
now.
Relax and concentrate.
Acquire
the site.
Report.
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It's a road.
#66:
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Near the site.
. . Entrance.
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Correct.
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Gate.
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Correct.
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Wall.
#66:
Probably correct.
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. . Lawn.
Correct.
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Trees.
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Correct.
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Parking lot.
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Near the site.
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Recreation.
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Correct.
That's a valid stage 4, that word is
visual. Go ahead.
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.... Swimming.
Can't feedback.
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... It's a .. one story building.
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Near the site.
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... Tables.
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Probably correct.
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Correct, stage 1.
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. . Picnics.
.
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Probably correct, near the site.
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. . . Cars.
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Near the site.
Focus on the 9:00 activity of the
outbounders.
Report.
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..... See a shaded road, it's an entrance.
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Correct.
... See water.
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Can't feedback.
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.
. . It's a recreational area.
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Correct.
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.... Big open spaces.
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Correct.
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A lot of green.
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A lot of green.
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A building with a patio.
#66:
Can't feedback.
. A parking area.
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Near the site.
Curved roads.
Near the site. Concentrate on the elemental one on
one physical activity of the outbounders at 9:00.
. . I feel them walking on wet grass.
...
Correct. Continue.
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Fairly flat area, open.
#66:
Correct.
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Trees, looking off into trees in the distance, open
area.
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Correct.
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... It's as
though
they're walking
around a
perimeter of a wall.
Can't feedback.
#66:
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Touching rough stone, concrete, brick.
#66:
Can't feedback.
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. . Close to a road.
#66:
Can't feedback.
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#02:
Sunny .
#66:
Correct.
Let's
get into the activity,
stop
They
screwing around around the outside the site.
actually do something at the site.
#02:
Ah ........ My mind's playing tricks, they're sitting
at table drinking a cup of coffee.
#66:
AOL coffee break.
#02:
Um, um.
#66:
AOL break, coffee break.
#02:
Right.
#66:
Come away from the site for a minute.
All
right
now
to
"go"
back
to the site, you re
going
exclusively for, they did something specific,
the
activity, they specific, you can actually see them
doing this and feel yourself doing it along with
them and is quite recognizable. It's obvious you
were at the site and you're getting around it and
talking about it. Let's get into the site itself,
not avoid the site, get into the site and actually
into the activity that they did when they were
there.
Acquire the site.
. . You're frustrated with me.
#02:
#66:
Let's break with a, what do you call those things,
abee, abee, abee .... Personal inclemency.
Personal inclemency.
#02:
#66:
Break personal
inclemency.
Frustration.
This
doesn't take any effort now, what you have to do is
do the relaxation procedure that you're
very
familiar with within your body.
All you have to
concentrate
is separating yourself from
the
perceptions of this room and the perceptions of
your body.
You are on the site and the only
discipline you have to do is apply your knowledge
of separating your mind from the physical
perceptions around you and the first thing that
comes to your head will what goes on at the site.
So relax now, relax and concentrate.
Relax and
focus your attention, 0900 hours 17 October 1983
and describe the site to me.
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. I'm not getting anything.
#02:
#66:
Okay, that's called a miss break.
Okay, take a
couple of seconds.
#66:
Feet warm.
#02:
Feet are warm.
#66:
Okay .
Not thinking about the site now, we 're
breaking from the site.
#02:
I was thinking about the site.
#66:
You got all correct stage 1s, 2s and 3s. It's the
stage 4 that eludes you. The question is whether
we have a, there's two concepts getting at stage 4,
you have to acquire the signal, you have to detect
it and then you have to decode it. So we don't
know at this point whether you are having detection
or decoding problems. You do have a valid stage 4
in here, so I think you're having good detection.
You have a little bit of a problem in decoding, but
that's okay.
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#66:
I have to go to the bathroom.
AHHHH, very good, personal inclemency.
That's an
end. Okay I'm going to shut the tape recorder off,
that's a good thing. (I.S. ) says you can't do it
when you have to go to the bathroom. Okay, we're
ending here.
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sully
Hol Break
Visual Tall Trees
S Cold, SmotHar C
S-3
Round C
3 quare / anguothers
Con BK
Efe feeling of combo of metal
and store simultaneously
53 Flat
C
52 Rouge
C
Canned -
divisions-
Coldthe
1
5-83
Sind
SI
oprema
wet pc
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Soft- Sloping PC
- Stowey
loud- destare c Bought C
Angles C
52 Stay c
53
crossing loves C
Real C
Holes C
gran c
Shadow C
White c
Black e
1 Slipping PC/
C/A
limes c
ton Brent
A.01 BK
Seems horizon
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Road
WS
entrance (
Sate a
Wall pc
lawn C
Trus C
Parken LST NS
Recreation C
5-4
Swimming CFB
One story builday N/S
Tables PC
correr
outside = 51
Pakmic
PICNICS PC/NS
Cars NS
0926
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see should road
entrance C
su warn CFB
it's a recreational area C
big open spaces C
lot of green C
Buildany w/patro CFB
Ce Pankry ane WS
Canned roads NS
Walking on wet grab (
foruly flat cera open and C
Trees In destare c
calling
Printen of wal CFB
Touching rough Druck CFB
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Close To road CF
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Coffee break
Ao1
Break/ Personal Inclewary Instruction
Miss Brak
Personal Inc
Bathroom
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Aol : Golf Course
0400
17 Oct 83
Bright c
5-2
Hand C
Slanted C
Tall C
Stang ETC.
wet c
5-2
Outside
SI
open c
long = = falling
Blowing CFB
Han c
destant CFB
Confus Break -
Sunday looking into destore
it just goes on
5-2
Soft e
5-3 Carne C
granel C
had Surface C
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