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MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD
1 September 1981
SUBJECT: GRILL FLAME Briefing for NSA Scientific Advisory Committee, 28 August 1981 (U)
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1.
(C)
BACKGROUND:
NSA has been sending a representative
as an unofficial observer to the DoD GRILL FLAME meetings for some time. However,
NSA has never been an active partner in the GRILL FLAME effort. Recently,
had been. directed by the DIRNSA to have the NSA Scientific Advisory
Committee study the current DoD program and to make a recommendation as to whether
or not NSA should support the current DoD effort.
proceeded to SG11
arrange a series of briefings for this committee to include:
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b. DIA presentation
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c. SRI-I presentation - Dr. Puthoff
d. INSCOM presentation - LTC Watt
e. Unofficial presentation - CDR Stewart
2. (U) I presented a two-hour briefing to the committee on 28 Aug 81. Following
personnel were present:
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- Host
NSA (Tech Applications & Advancement)
Dr. Willis Ware, Chairman, NSA Scientific Advisory Committee
Rand Corporation, Santa Monica, California
Dr. James Burnett, Member of Committee
VP, TRW
Dr. Ronald Wigington, Member of Committee
Director, R&D
Chemical Abstract Services
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Member of Committee
Retired from NSA (former Crypto Manager)
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CDR Jake Stewart
Office of Naval Intelligence
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LTC Robert Jachim
INSCOM
LTC Murray B. Watt
INSCOM
3. ( U)
Inclosure 1 provides the outline of the presentation I gave them.
4. (C) I showed the committee several examples of our finished products including
complete details on how we conducted our sessions. Further, I passed around
selected samples of GRILL FLAME evaluations that we have received from consumers.
(See our TOP SECRET eval file.) I stressed that our effort was not research
and development, but strictly operational in nature.
5. (U) I would say that the committee received the presentation with an
"open mind" attitude. Their questions and keen interest demonstrated that they
were trying to search out the answers to a very puzzling. problem.
1 Inclosure
As stated (S)
B. Was
Regraded CONFIDENTIAL when separated
MURRAY BL WATT
LTC, MI
INSCOM GRILL FLAME
Project Manager
from SECRET inclosure
NOTED
B. Mille /q
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PROGRAM
DEVELOPMENT
TIME
EVENT
OCT 78 - DEC 78:
ORGANIZATIONAL DEVELOPMENT
DEC 78 - FEB 79:
SCREENING & SELECTION OF PERSONNEL
APR 79 - OCT 79:
IN-HOUSE TRAINING
MAY 79 - DEC 79:
SRI ORIENTATION
NOV 79 - PRESENT:
OPERATIONAL TASKING
JAN 80 - PRESENT:
TASK FORCE ESTABLISHED
AUG 80
MOVE TO NEW FACILITY
:
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AS OF 26 JUNE 1981
TASKING ORGANIZATIONS
NO. OF PROJECTS
NO. OF SESSIONS
HQ, USAINSCOM
2
5
NSC
3
18
JCS
3
227
ACSI/AMSAA
9
65
CIA
25
109
SG1H
2
11
902D MIG
3
9
ITAC
14
120
USA OPS GP
3
11
TOTALS:
64
575
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AS OF 26 JUNE 1981
SUMMARY OF SESSIONS
TRAINING
207
OPERATIONAL
575
PROJECTS:
64
*A.
COMPLETED:
51
B.
WORKING:
12
C.
INACTIVE:
1
INTELLIGENCE PROVIDED:
A.
USEFUL DATA PROVIDED
24 PROJECTS
B.
FAILED TO HELP 24 PROJECTS
C.
DATA STILL BEING STUDIED CONCERNING 16 PROJECTS
*INCLUDES ONE PROJECT CANCELLED.
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EXCERPS FROM CUSTOMER EVALUATIONS:
ITAC:
There were a few spectacular reports ... the project confirmed with uncanny accuracy the
presence of a recently constructed major ditch array and the number and type of elite units in
a remote garrison area.
CIA:
In sum, Our experience with GF, thus far, tends to strengthen the validity of the techniques
involved and also indicates that its greatest utility as an operational tool may be in the CI field.
JCS:
In 16 out of 18 cases GF sources described the facility in sufficient detail to allow positive
identification.
ITAC:
I would also like to compliment you and your personnel on achieving an intelligence
community "First."
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JCS:
Therefore, it is the judgement of this analyst that extensive testing and development of
control procedures be accomplished before any final assessment of the value of GF material can
be made.
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