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ROUTING AND TRANSMITTAL SLIP
15 Jul 81
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COL Kennedy
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BG Wilmot
W 15.
COL Lamb
16 JUL
MG Thompson
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SUBJECT: GRILL FLAME.
1. On 150915 Jul 81 I received a call from LTC Mike
Chase, OSALL. He received a call from Mr. Giza, AA to
Congressman Rose (D, NC). Mr. Rose wants to meet on
161400 Jul in his office with a representative from the
Armty General Counsel's Office and the DoD General Counsel's
Office. The subject of the meeting is to discuss the im-
passe caused by the 'human use' issue in executing the
Army contract with SRI-I.
2. LTC Chase asked me if DACSI wanted to be represented
at the meeting. I said no. Congressman Rose wants to
discuss a legal issue and the AGC A/O, Mr. Hatch, is
fully knowledgeable of the Army position. It has
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been and will continue to be ZA's position that he will
support whatever the lawyers decide - that GRILL FLAME
does or does not involve human use as defined in DoD
Reg 5240.1R.
3. For Your Info. A meeting was held 1/1100 Jul 81
to discuss the human use issue within DA. Attending the
meeting were: Mr. Spurlock, Army GC; Mr. Hatch, GRILL
FLAME A/O in the Office of the Army GC; BG Rapmund, Chief
of the Human Subjects Review Board; LTC Kieffer, INSCOM
JAG; LTC Watt; LTC Jachim (LTC Watt's replacement); MAJ
O' Keefe, DAMI-ISH. BG Rapmund stated that, among other
subjects, he did not believe that the Army GRILL FLAME
effort constituted human experimentation. He recommended
Army execute its FY 81 contract with SRI as a non-human
use contract. Mr. Spurlock seemed to accept this with
the caveat that he wished to address the Army FY82
GRILL FLAME Program as a human use issue. In other words,
we concur with the DoD position on human use for FY 81
and continue to debate over FY 82 activities. Mr. Hatch
told me this morning that he is preparing a memo to this
effect for the SA and DoD GC.
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