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PROJECT GRILL FLAME
2 0 AUG 1981
QUESTION: Project GRILL FLAME is an Army and DIA jointly financed effort
to study novel intelligence collection techniques. The fiscal year 1982
justification material states that GRILL FLAME studies will help to identify
the capabilities and vulnerabilities associated with paranormal phenomenon
having military applications.
1. Can you provide a description of Project GRILL FLAME to include the
objectives of the project and exactly what paranormal phenomenon DIA and
the Army are studying?
ANSWER:
1. GRILL FLAME is a planned three year joint program which is in its
first year (FY81) between DIA and the Army to investigate in detail certain
paranormal phenomenon, such as, remote viewing and psychokinesis that have
potential military applications. Emphasis this year has been on evaluating
application potential and limitations of remote viewing ( the ability of
individuals to mentally collect data at a distance) phenomena and to evaluate
the significance of foreign work, particularly as it may pose a threat to the
United States.
a. DIA Is working ON evaluAting foreign work.
6. FOR 41982, Army Is contracting FOR SRI to complete
development of AND evaluAte New enhanced RV
techniques. (195k)
c. Fy 81
SEGRET
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GRILL FLAME (U)
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ARmy guidance to o'keefe : tell Them As little As possible.
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PROJECT GRILL FLAME
2 0 AUG 1981
QUESTION: Project GRILL FLAME is an Army and DIA jointly financed effort
to study novel intelligence collection techniques. The fiscal year 1982
justification material states that GRILL FLAME studies will help to identify
the capabilities and vulnerabilities associated with paranormal phenomenon
having military applications.
Is CIA conducting similar studies?
If so, what is the interface
between the GDIP and CIA efforts?
ANSWER:
2.
Although CIA can best answer this question, DIA is not aware of any
present program at that agency. DIA, however, does maintain interface with
CIA by keeping them informed of progress in the GRILL FLAME effort.
a. CIA Reps Are Invited to sitIN ON Quarterly GRILL
Flame meetings As NON- voting observers.
6. CIA has been Actively tAsking Army (INSCON) ON
Specific intelligence collection tasks.
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20 AUG 1981
PROJECT GRILL FLAME
QUESTION: Project GRILL FLAME is an Army and DIA jointly financed effort
to study novel intelligence collection techniques. The fiscal year 1982
justification material states that GRILL FLAME studies will help to identify
the capabilities and vulnerabilities associated with paranormal phenomenon
having military applications.
3. Are these studies being accomplished in house or by external
assistance contracts?
ANSWER:
3.
Currently, Project GRILL FLAME is conducted primarily through an
external assistance contract with Stanford Research Institute International.
However, the DIA does have a small related in house project to assess foreign
capabilities in parapsychology.
a . to me the Spirit of the Question , indicates what
are you doing to assess the phenomenon ? to That , we
Should Add : ARmy has been working ON training
personnel in RV techniques & Applying This
Ability AGAINST operational requirements.
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2-310c
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5200 1-R(3)
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PROJECT GRILL FLAME
20 AUG 1981
QUESTION:
Project GRILL FLAME is an Army and DIA jointly financed effort
to study novel intelligence collection techniques. The fiscal year 1982
justification material states that GRILL FLAME studies will help to identify
the capabilities and vulnerabilities associated with paranormal phenomenon
having military applications.
4. What is the level of funding to date for GRILL FLAME that the Army and
DIA have each provided?
ANSWER:
4. In the first year (FY81) of the GRILL FLAME program and associated
contract at Stanford Research Institute International, Army provided $130,000
and DIA provided $300,000 for the joint effort.
AMSAA 15k
1. 1978-1979
L
-Arm, Save gok (INSCOM SOK, ACSI, 25%
For training Package; other ARmy
elements (AMSAA & MIA) SAVE Additional
## for other related tasks.
2. We had No contract out for 80, but we
did have In-house expenditures.
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ENCL 3, 5 Dec 78
19 Aug 2001
REVIEW ON:
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2-310c
DOD
5200.1-RX3)
GRILL FLAME (U)
CLOSE HOLD/HAND CARRY
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PROJECT GRILL FLAME
20 AUG 1981
QUESTION:
Project GRILL FLAME is an Army and DIA jointly financed effort
to study novel intelligence collection techniques. The fiscal year 1982
justification material states that GRILL FLAME studies will help to identify
the capabilities and vulnerabilities associated with paranormal phenomenon
having military applications.
5. What level of funding for GRILL FLAME is being requested in fiscal
year 1982 by the Army and DIA?
ANSWER:
5.
Army plans to provide approximately $140,000 and DIA $335,000 for
FY 1982.
Army plans to provide $ 195k to SRI &
perhaps 10-20k for other institutions.
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19 Aug 2001
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2 0 AUG 1981
PROJECT GRILL FLAME
QUESTION: Project GRILL FLAME is an Army and DIA jointly financed effort
to study novel intelligence collection techniques. The fiscal year 1982
justification material states that GRILL FLAME studies will help to identify
the capabilities and vulnerabilities associated with paranormal phenomenon
having military applications.
6. How many Army and DIA personnel are involved in Project GRILL FLAME?
ANSWER:
6. DIA expended approximately 1 1/2 manyears for FY 1981 and Army
expended
-
manyears (excluding their own related in house program).
1. This Answer Is very Misleading & Could be
dangerous for The growth of The program.
1, And do tell how MANY support types we
LAve AND
The RV- type work. When looking for spaces to say
we expended ty MANyears Is All That will be seen.
Note: The MANyears refers to The Amount of
MANAgement time went Into working ON contrActual
1
efforts.
Note: MAS O' Keefe provided more details toDIA ON This Gives.
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PROJECT GRILL FLAME
2 0 AUG 1981
QUESTION: Project GRILL FLAME is an Army and DIA jointly financed effort
to study novel intelligence collection techniques. The fiscal year 1982
justification material states that GRILL FLAME studies will help to identify
the capabilities and vulnerabilities associated with paranormal phenomenon
having military applications.
7. Is Project GRILL FLAME the only GDIP effort to study paranormal
phenomenon?
ANSWER:
7. Yes.
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19 Aug 2001
REVIEW ON:
REAS:
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GRILL FLAME (U)
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Project GRILL FLAME
2 0 AUG 1981
Question 8: Project GRILL FLAME is an Army and DIA jointly financed effort
to study novel intelligence collection techniques. The fiscal year 1982
justification material states that GRILL FLAME studies will help to identify
the capabilities and vulnerabilities associated with paranormal phenomenon
having military applications. Isn't there an Army INSCOM funded study on-
going of paranormal phenomenon which is not part of GRILL FLAME? What is
the total funding of this separate effort?
Answer:
-- INSCOM has an in-house GRILL FLAME program. It is an experimental
effort directed against real intelligence targets and problems. INSCOM's
efforts are coordinated closely with DIA under the provisions of a joint
GRILL FLAME memorandum of understanding (MOU) signed by the Deputy Director
of DIA and the Assistance Chief of Staff for Intelligence, Department of
the Army in March 1981. INSCOM's GRILL FLAME contracts are included in the
overall DIA contract with the Stanford Research Institute - International.
-- INSCOM's total GRILL FLAME funding is:
FY 81
$130K
AGAIN, Not A complete
FY 82
$200K; 5 MP
ANSWER !
2/cu-3mil
We had A budget of 150k for Fy 81 of which
130k went to SRI-I. Seems to me That we
Should be pointing out That INSCOM has been
taking 8-10 spaces " out-of-hide" Since JAN 80
to support This DA tAsk & DA Should be
pointing This out.
Note: INScon did Not provide Input to These
Evertiros other Than The one concerning
ty MAN-years - Then The Question WAS
SECRET taken out of context.
GRILL FLAME (U)
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ENCL 3, 5 Dec 78
19 AUG 2001
REVIEW ON:
REAS: 2-310c
DOD
5200.1-R(3)
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