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GRILL FLAME
PROJECT
SESSION REPORT
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CLASSIFIED BY: Director, I
DECLASSIFY ON: 31 Dec 99
EXTENDED BY : Director, DIZ
REASON: 2-301-C (3) (6)
GRILL FLAME
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SUMMARY ANALYSIS
REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION
CC23
( 6 Dec ??
1. (S) This report documents a Remote Viewing (RV) session
conducted in compliance with a request from SOD, J3, OJCS,
Pentagon, Washington, D.C. The purpose of the session was
to provide information relevant to the hostage situation in
the U.S. Embassy compound in Teheran, Iran.
2. (S) The remote viewer's impressions of the target are
provided as raw intelligence data and as such have not been
subjected to any intermediate analysis, evaluation or collation.
Interpretation and use of the information provided is the
responsibility of the requestor.
3. (S) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the
document, Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing
Protocol(S), undated.
4. (S) Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions
during the remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made
by the remote viewer reference his impressions of the target
site. At TAB B is target cueing information provided the
remote viewer.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CC23
South Field
TIME
#66:
This will be a remote viewing session (edited
for security) .
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For the past few minutes you've been studying
a photograph of Iran.
Focus your attention
now on Area L as indicated to you in that photo-
graph. Focus your attention now on Area L.
Relax and concentrate.
Concentrate solely on
Area L.
PAUSE
And describe the area to me.
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#31:
I . . . think I have my beacon.
Its an object.
Let me work for a minute.
#66:
All right.
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I
have
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a good feeling, I'm there.
#66:
Describe the area to me.
#31:
I'm right above
. . . three
.
appears to be
three.
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rectangular. . .
boxes, possibly the .
. the
vehicles.
They are in a .
.
.
appear to be side
by side.
I am
. I think I'm on the
hovering above the . . maybe fifty feet.
object, the round thing, appears to be a reasonable
distance away. .
across the narrow part.
I think
. .
down in one corner
I
. . I feel the
The beacon
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open space. I .
. I feel
. now I'm in the
tree line.
Okay.
Now I'm just inside the tree
line.
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#31:
The . . . The three vehicles are so .
are not near my corner, there are maybe only
fifty feet in from my corner.
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The ball is in the other corner in front of me.
#66:
All right.
Tell me more about this area.
PAUSE
#31:
The open.
area?
#66:
Describe it to me.
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#31:
Let me drift over.
PAUSE
I see a
a
I was looking for . .
people.
I'm a little ways . .
away from my
start point. And I had the feeling of a little
bump .
in the ground. . . which has
it has
I have the feeling of
three things sticking up out of a small bump of
freshly .
. turned earth in a .
with
.
in
a field.
.
of . . . a lawn. . . It feels
feels brittle.
It feels
more like straw
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For some reason, I
. . . have the feeling that
there are no people in the . . middle strip of
trees. But when I said I'd been in the tree line,
I had felt there was a group of two people there.
There is a . . . I have a feeling of
a
I have a feeling of a skinny, black.
.
rod with
a
.
.
little tip.
It is . . . high, between my
knee and my waist.
This thing estudes up out of
a black plate, but this does not
.
it lays on
top. I can see it. The other one I could not see.
But this one, I can see it. I feel it is maybe
fifty feet away and on an angle from the other one
that I talked about.
It
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#66:
Go on.
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#31:
I'm drifting across the lawn.
. . way.
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I
.
Now I am
I
I am
.
a
I've been moved to the white. .
ball.
I am.
.
. on the top. I am feeling that here
is a main place of something.
I
see all
that .
. I'm trying to.
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I feel that this is a
Near here,
I .
. . see .
people near here.
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And I had a feeling of people going in and out
of the back.
A door in this place. . . which
faces the woods.
#66:
Move down into the woods and tell me about the
people.
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#31:
They . . . position .
I have a definite
feel for a crew weapon.
.
of some kind located
at the tree line. Some, possibly .
. twenty
feet distant from the corner. Its small but
The feeling of a small but, . .
crew .
. sort
of weapon.
No dugout, no bags, its in the open.
I likewise had the feeling when I was in the other
corner that the two people there were a team of
some kind.
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But no emplacement.
I'm drifting through this
end.
Oh !
And
. . . I feel . . that forward
of this and to the left is maybe another group
of vehicles; but, I had a definite feeling of
wire running along the ground and.
. in the
direction of these vehicles.
#66:
What's the nature of this wire?
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#31:
It is a
..
.
It is
a ignition of something,
I'm sure.
I feel that. .
. maybe . . the .
vehicles are . . to be blown or to serve as
.
shields of some kind.
They are a good distance
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out in the
fifty/sixty feet out.
I feel that its a
.
.
serves as a shield .. .
of some kind. The vehicles do and the cord is
the detinator or electric wiring to make some-
thing explode.
#66:
All right.
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Move now slowly from Area L to Area K. Move
now slowly from Area L to Area K and describe
as you go.
PAUSE
#31:
I keep getting more of these black things. And
I have a feeling for
.
every once in a while
I land on clump of dirt.
I got something now .
.
Its very
random.
I
. feel as though they
.
were.
I feel no logic to the random seating
of the things. But I have the feeling that the
things with the long black things are generally
in the middle.
But that the. . . they are very
few and far between. And that somehow, they then
have put the three prong thing around the edges
and the vehicles
.
I feel, are now.
are few.
I don't see
many. I feel the
clumps of two and three at two places but
.
I do not feel it at many more. Maybe
·
Now I am mid-place, mid-way. I am in the middle.
#66:
Is this Area K?
#31:
No. I'm still going. I'm still going. I don't
have much.
#66:
All right.
Go on.
Still moving.
#31:
feeling for
I'm in the trees. I think.
Ah !
I've got . .
in the . . in the line of trees.
#66:
All right.
#31:
Got a
a
.
had a fleeting feeling that ..
I looked for people and, of course, there are no
people here. But I had a definite feeling of
running wires in the trees on the ground. Several,
two or three wires going in the leaves. Just laying
on top of the leaves. And they go
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#31:
I feel they go almost to where I started here
in "L". But I had a picture of a rectangular,
curved bunk stuck against the base of a tree.
Facing. . the open.
All right, I'm going on.
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I'm down .
I'm on
. .
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I'm getting.
. . I've got a .
Its so big.
Hard to
But I'm in the grass.
I had a
. . feeling of another something blocking in the
corner.
Have a feeling of .
.
I keep seeing
these thin things sticking up against a light.
I keep getting these shots in many
. .
. many,
many, many repeated shots of seeing a black stick
against white background or against like the
light of the sky. I'm crawling through the grass.
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And I
.
I'm
. . They've got to do something.
I'm .
I
.
feel fewer of the
. : of the
dirt.
And I feel fewer of the . . . I feel
fewer of the dirt. . . here because this place
I feel . . they feel sure about this place.
They can cover this place. . with weapons, so I
feel they have fewer of the bumps in the dirt.
#66:
Search the tree line.
#31:
I'm
PAUSE
All right.
I'm there.
PAUSE
#66:
All right.
Relax and concentrate.
£
Hold your
attention.
Focus on that area.
Permit me to
turn the tape over now. Just relax and concen-
trate on that area.
Focus your attention on
that area.
Relax and concentrate.
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#31:
Had a
#66:
All right. Tell me about this area.
#31:
I had a feeling here that there is . . . on
this side.
a little bit of a terrace.
A little bit of a terrace. . . going off.
.
to the open.
And these trees are here. I do
not . . I see, I do see, I had . . when I was
waiting, for you, I had a . . feeling of
a
.
low, earthen mound. I had a feeling
that there were some sort of hasty positions
and under the tree at this point. Possibly only
a twenty foot or thirty foot stretch. Had a
feeling of one or two
·
. there were people
here, but not a whole bunch.
I'm going to . . go up the rest of the way now.
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#66:
Okay.
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#31:
I got a
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a .
acute. . pulling out a .
a feeling
of a . . of a high point in the .
what
.
.
in the corner I'm going to now. And I want to
say, I keep getting a picture of a cement wall
or wall of some kind or low building roof with
a . . with a feeling of a
.
a look down their
throat place. Covering
Its
got a
low round part wall around it.
Something that a
crew sort of weapon would just look over the top
and down the . . on to the open field. Doesn't
seem like its super high. But anyway, I had a
feeling that there were two. One, down on the
right and off of this thing and one up on top of
this thing. And they were .
a . . at least one
major thing to cover this area. Like a keystone.
Some sort of a wall thing and its light in
my imagery it keeps coming through light.
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#31:
And its in that far corner.
And
its . . . Let me see.
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Oh boy. I don't know how you get a Charlie Horse.
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#66:
Do you think you're ready to draw some of
those things you've shown us now? That you've
seen?
#31:
Well, I'm trying to figure out this last thing
before I lose it.
#66:
Okay.
#31:
I have a feeling that this thing.
.
It shows
light. It shows light, but it .
. And I got
the gun in the corner and another gun off on the
side, but I did not have. . . I have a feeling
that the wall though is longer and is not just
a little thing. But that the gun sits in the
corner of a somewhat longer wall but maybe only
forty feet. Its ramparted around it, I mean its
got a wall around it. Its flat. I keep pulling
out a cement base, like what would be a flat top
roof. But its low, its only . . maybe ten feet
up. Just enough elevation to look out on the
field.
Its not like a high rooftop.
#66:
Okay.
PAUSE
#31:
I don't know what happened, suddenly, I felt
like I had
.
. Oh! I know what it was.
I
was low-crawling across the field.
Have you
ever tried to swim in grass? Ha ha.
Jesus.
I
was scared out there. I felt like I was out in
the middle of . . . Ha ha ha.
I felt like I was
out in the middle of
·
. I was doing the night
walk, Sucker.
Ha ha ha ha . I was walking
around on my hands and knees in the grass. Ha ha.
#66:
As in Infantry training when you proceed very
cautiously?
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#31:
That's right. Man, I was keeping a low profile.
Aint nobody gonna ketch me against the skyline.
Ha ha ha .
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#66:
That's interesting you come back with that
feeling now.
#31:
Well, when I said, I'm in the grass, I meant I
was in the grass. I wasn't walking in it.
I
was swimming through it, like this.
#66:
Okay.
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#31:
I want to do this while I was thinking about it.
These things were bigger, their thicker.
#66:
Okay, the object that you've drawn here, where
did you see that?
#31:
These are the ones that are just sitting on top
of the ground. . . was the feeling I had.
#66:
Have you ever seen anything like that before?
#31:
Yeah, I have.
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But, yeah. I have. They're . . . The feeling
that I have . . . Well, I'm sure. . I'm sure of
what they are. But I didn't try . . I tried not
to think about what they were when I was doing.
The hints in my description of them was very. .
was a very feature type and not a purpose function.
type.
But now that the session is over, what I
feel they are. . . they are not command denitated.
That's a tilt bar rod on the top. Okay. That's
what I feel it is. And I had two types of feel-
ings. Now, I don't know which one is which, but
one - Oh and there's a little thing on it like that.
That is a tilt bar. Not an antenna. The bar is
pushed over and it detinates your mine.
Its an
anti-tank thing.
#66:
Um hm.
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#66:
Its an anti-tank mine?
#31:
Anti-tank mine, right.
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And they can either be buried or, you know,
. But I mean, hasty, hasty seeding of this
type thing; if you've got a canolized area or
Something where it doesn't matter if they're
buried or not, you just lay them out. Okay.
Because they cause just as much trouble. If you
have a place where somebody could sneak by it
if they knew it was there, then you'd dig it
in, you know, try to camoflauge it. I had two
kinds of feelings. I had the feeling of that
the top of that thing . . . that the rod was
about that thick, pencil thickness.
Okay, a
regular lead pencil, number 2. Thickness. And
that it was in fact round and that it had some
kind of a top on it. But then, at another point
in time, I had another feeling. Okay.
I had
another flick.
You know what a Perk 25, a whip
antenna looks like on a Perk 25?
You know its
sort of concave. And its maybe about 5/8's of
an inch wide and it'll bend any place if you .
#66:
Its like a tape measure, and it comes out
#31:
Yeah, like a tape measure. I had a feeling
of a shape like that as well associated with it.
#66:
Um hm.
#31:
So, .
this height is - what'd I say, - its
about like that. I was trying to stand next
to one and the thing was about
. .
three feet.
No, not three feet. Yeah, maybe three feet
because I'm just under five, just under six feet.
So, a little.
. like thirty inches. No.
Thirty-four inches, okay.
And I'll draw the
other thing on this. And that is . . Okay, a
feeling of this concave.
Concave thing. Okay.
As being maybe an alternate. Okay, but the sucker
is about 34 inches high off the ground. They're
just seeded, they're just laying on the top.
Okay and I'll draw a little arrow here.
And this thing was black or its dark, dull.
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Dull color.
I
won't say its black.
Dull, shiney-
less color.
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All right.
I
wanted to draw that one.
That's
Nubmer One.
Number Two.
The reason I'm doing these is because
I like . . that way I can refer them when I do the
other sketches. Okay. Number 2, I just had a
feeling for . . okay, just a
. how do I describe
it. Okay, here's . . here's . . the grass out here
right. Here's the grass. Okay. But I had a feeling
for a place in the grass area that was newly or
freshly turned, okay, like this. And that.
Okay. But this, Number One, sits on top of the
group. Just laying out there in front of God and
everybody. And this is newly turned soil. Or,
you know, soil, turned soil.
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God knows where they got all this shit.
#66:
Newly turned soil or a mound with three things
sticking up
.
.
.
.
#31:
Right, with three things sticking up out of the
center of it. Okay.
In a grassy. . . Surrounded
by grass. You know, like if you go out in your
back yard, you're going to plant a tree. Boom -
you end up with a tree sticking out of a pile of
dirt surrounded by grass. Okay.
Irregular. Okay.
And one case, in one instance,
I had the feeling even that I could see where.
when the ground had been dug up where they .
where the dirt had been layed on top of the grass
and then had been filled back in. You know, it was
like it was a mound and then there was dirt -
brownish blot over on the side. Okay.
#66:
Okay.
#31:
Okay.
Where I came down . . . was here in this
corner and up here was that thing which I was
referring to as my beacon.
#66:
The thing with the round ball?
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#31:
Yeah, I think that's . . . That was up there.
It was across the field from me. Here, .
I had the feeling of three vehicles like sitting
in this corner.
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But . . and I was looking at them. Where did
I see that? Okay, I had the feeling that the
. .
The first place that I saw the bump. The
first thing I saw was actually Number 2, okay.
The turned soil thing was somewhere in here.
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Okay. Somewhere around those vehicles or those
whatever they are. I hopped over here into the
woods or the edge of the woods and when I
when I . . blinked over there and I had the feeling
that I had two people. . in there, okay.
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All right. And they were like sitting on, sitting
down.
You know, they were just sort of like . .
sitting on the ground, you know. All right.
You started me off and I was bopping out this way.
Okay.
And about out in here is where I came
to a thing of Sketch Number 1, okay.
I had the
feeling that the Number 1's were located in the
center. This was afterwards. I got this feeling
that the Number One's were located around in the
center and that the Number Two's were along the
sides. All right.
Okay, that was later. So I bopped out into the
center and I saw, I think only one of each as I
was going along and for some reason I magically
bopped over to where the beacon was, the round
thing was.
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#66:
Okay, write down on this page, this is what you
perceived to be Area L?
#31:
Yes. I think this is Area L.
#66:
Okay .
#31:
I'll write it down here.
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#66:
Page Number 3.
#31:
Right.
Okay .
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I didn't get any other feeling for
I
was .
When I was here in the trees I had
the vague feeling that this line here on the
bottom of Sketch 3 was vacant. But I didn't
get into it. But I just had the feeling that
it would be preposterous for them to put people
there and that it was preposterous for them to
put people there. I just had this matter of
fact feeling that there was nobody in there.
Okay .
#66:
Now where was it you saw the crew weapons and
the people? By your beacon?
#31:
Okay, that's up here. That's the feeling I had
up here.
I'll just continue using 3 for that because. .
Okay, the next part of the transcript then is I
moved up here and the feeling I had was that out
in front of or just to the side of this was another
group of two or three vehicles.
Okay. That .
there were. . okay, what am I doing? Pencil
.
. I'm putting in things and Ink is fixed things.
Okay. I guess, I don't know if there's any code
to this or not.
But okay. I had the feeling that
there was a crew served weapon - small like an old
30 caliber, but its a tri-pod type thing. Its not
a bi-pod. I had the feeling the thing sat up on
legs. Okay, I'll draw a little inset.
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Its going to be very rough.
But I had. . to get
the idea across of the tri-pod thing instead of
like we're used to having, bi-pod type stuff. I
really had the feeling it was. it was
·
·
you
know, an upright legged type of .
. piece of
equipment there.
And two people.
More trees
behind. Actually the trees are behind that.
I put that in the wrong place. Okay, then I had
a door in there and I had the idea of people
coming and going. . . in there, okay.
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#31:
Now,
.
Oh, that's also where I had the
feeling of the wire.
I had the feeling that
there was a piece of. .
there was a strand
of electrical wire that ran out across the field
into these things. Something. Like the vehicles
might be being used or the bumps whatever they are,
that I saw, might be being used for a shield or
they might be carrying explosives themselves.
They might be positioned and a wire running to
them. Or that they might be a shield for the
crew in the . . you know, in the gun. Okay,
something, because, well, just thinking of things
like claymore mines and everything, there's a
hell of a back blast on it. Hopeful, you know,
I would presume they were at least smart enough
to know that. So, we don't . . you know, so
they wouldn't get themselves caught with, you
know, pointing a bazooka the wrong way.
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Anyway, I had this definite feeling of wire.
wire . . It was more
dim, it was more like TV
wire. It was flat. A flat piece of wire.
I'll just draw a little - flat and its black.
Flat, black wire, you know, like television.
antenna lead wire looks like, its flat?
#66:
Um hm.
#31:
And its not just some little old thing. Its not
WD-1, its not this kind of stuff, its flatter.
More to it as well, you know, like its heavier
stuff.
I don't think it was like electrical
cable.
I didn't get the feeling it was like super
cable.
Like for lights or anything like that. I
had the feeling it was . . it was more . . it was
less than a cable, okay. Anyway, it runs out of
the wood line here. Then where did I go?
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Didn't have anybody up top or anything. I didn't
catch anybody on the sides.
That's about it there. People coming and going
in the bottom. At least one. I saw at least
one go into the . . square thing and under that.
Through a door that enters on to the woods.
Its
not a door
. I didn't feel that there was a door
that's out on this field.
I felt that the door
points back into the woods.
To the left of it
some 25 feet. . were the crew serve weapon. Out
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in front of the crew serve weapon were these
bulges, these dark humps that I perceived to
be the vehicles. Two or three. I'll draw in
another one with a dotted line. May be two or
three.
And with a line like in the darkness.
When the wire runs out on the ground, you know,
you can . . you know, it generally goes that
way, but you know, you lose it after about ten
feet.
You know, you can't see it any more but
it looked like it was going that way. That's
the kind of a feeling with this wire.
Okay, so
from there I was coming across like this and as
I was transiting back in this direction to go to
Area K, . . K?
#66:
Um hm.
#31:
L. . . Yeah, Area K, .
. I had more . . This is
when I got the real feeling that the Number 1
.
there were more of the Number 1's because I had
a feeling . . that I had a number, I passed another
Number 2 20-25 feet out of the tree line, okay.
As I was going along.
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But that as I got farther out into the center of
this thing the Number 1.
. It became apparent
that the . . the mounds. . . there were no more
turned mounds, but what they had were Number 1's
just sitting on top of the ground, okay.
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And I will just throw.
.
.
All I saw was just
like two or three but I could just get the feel-
ing from the density.
I wasn't seeing any more
dirt.
I was just seeing these things. And there's
.
there's more, you know, I'm sure that there
.
are more. But, anyway, from this . . what I have
is this pattern.
I'll draw in, in the green line.
That's not green.
That's a green pencil but it
aint green lead.
I'll use a green line to show
sort of the idea for the pattern of using these
things or way they've laid . . sown. . Seeded these
things, okay.
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Okay. What now?
I
suppose I can include this
also as well, I can include the feeling I had
for wire in here.
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#66:
When you say wire, you are talking about
electrical wire as opposed to concertina wire?
#31:
Yeah.
Right. This stuff.
#66:
Okay.
#31:
Okay.
PAUSE
All right. Well let me give you this. In the
. . okay, here in the bottom, I want to show
you what they've done there. I had the
. .
when I got in on the tree line on the bottom
of three, I'm going to four now.
I got into
the tree line on the bottom of three, I had this
feeling of
okay, trees. Possibly a
double. Felt, yeah I felt a double row of trees.
Even.
But I don't know if that's on there or not,
but anyway, I felt that in the double row of trees
like this
.
that what they had done is I had
the feeling of these wires.
And that what they
had done is they had laid the
. . what we would
refer to as the claymore type shape mine and that
was . . that was good. . the wire and everything -
that was good. No sweat about that. The wire as
well as this image. I had the image of this thing
- the tree trunk and the sucker slapped right up
against the base of the tree trunk.
Okay.
So that when it detinated, the tree would go but
it would cut the back blast. The tree would absorb
the back blast. You know, a claymore's effective
without a backstop. But anyway, they had back-
stopped them against these tree trunks.
Okay .
PAUSE
Interesting thing though, they were awful low.
They were like almost at ground level. They
seemed like they were only like maybe six inches
above ground level. The first place they could
get a level, a level place for the . . where the
for the mine or whatever this funny thing is to
be slapped against the trunk of a tree.
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And all
I had the feeling of just two of
them.
I had just the two wires.
Okay .
That's
all.
Going. . . maybe servicing in different
directions, maybe not.
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But the idea or the concept of the . . of the
curved metal. . . the curved metal plates stuck
against the bases of trees is . . you know, it
was valid imagery.
I saw that.
And as well as that I see the two wires.
PAUSE
Okay and this is leaves, you know, leaves and
everything and the wires are just laying on top
of the ground. Everybody can see them.
Okay, so let me put you in perspective here.
This is .
. What is this one that I'm working
on? Area L. And that's to Area K? K. All right.
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Area K. All right.
I swam out of Area K. Ha ha.
I swam out of the tree line.
I felt. . I really
felt like I was out in the middle of . . you know,
I was high stepping through a free-fire zone is
what the hell I was doing. Because I felt like I
was just . . you know you get this itch in the back
of your neck? That's just the way I felt. I was
itching all the way across that one.
PAUSE
Okay. I'll just draw you a top with this as well.
PAUSE
#66:
Where did you start this area here?
#31:
Well, I continued the area - the arrow. See the
arrow here off of 3? Right about in the center,
I saw
center of the, what do you want to call
it? I went right across, right about through.
in the center, right through the tree lines, because
I was
#66:
Okay.
#31:
I was walking . . I was out in the open of L
then I winked to the tree line and saw the cord
on the ground or det cord, det cord or whatever
and the things placed against the bases of the
trees. And that was it. And then I got down on
my hands and knees and I started to crawl along
into K. Okay.
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#31:
Okay, so I'm like I entered here. Okay, right
about here.
Where the "X" is. I was going in
that direction.
All right, I had the feeling
.
no sooner did I break the tree line, looking to
the right, I had the feeling that there was a
group of . . bumps.
Okay .
Maybe cars, maybe not.
A group of good-sized things off in the darkness.
Okay. Two maybe three of them again. I came on
it and the first feeling that I had was that there
were fewer. .
that they were sure of this place.
You know, and that they needed. . . they did not
have so many mines out. They did not have so
much . . anti-personnel type mines out, okay.
So anyway, I swam through the grass, low crawled,
whatever you want, did the Australian Crawl.
out to about here. Okay, I had the feeling of
Number 1's - okay - along the route. I did not
have any feeling of Number 2's along the route.
Okay. And if the theory of "L" had held true I
should have . . I should have picked up anti-
personnel mines along the margin.
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Okay, but I picked up none along the margin of
the area. All I picked up were these big honkers
that were Number 1's. And I got a number of clear,
repetitive images, like against a skyline of this
pencil sticking up. You know, it was just .
.
just like day, like somebody. . you're walking
through the woods and you break the skyline and
the guy behind you is your RTO and you see this
thing just stick . . you know, just moving right
across the light - the ambient light of the sky-
line, okay.
I was just having these feelings.
You know, of just four or five flashes of this
stuff sticking up. All right.
That was it.
PAUSE
All right, from there. I just . . For a peculiar
reason, I just moved immediately over here. .
.
into the tree line again.
Only the left tree line.
This is Area K.
#66:
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#31:
Okay, let me write it lower then. I'll write
it inside.
#66:
Okay.
#31:
All right.
PAUSE
Came out over here. All right. Here, I had the
feeling of some hasty positions. Dirt scratched
up or scruffed up and I also had the feeling that
the edge of the field itself lent itself to a
hasty position. That it burmed off.
Okay, that
the field burmed off into the tree line a little
bit. Not much.
But like maybe a three foot drop
okay, over a period of maybe 6-8 linear feet
all right. Horizontal feet. And so this burm
had sort of been used in a certain stretch of
only 20 or 25 feet to build a . . to put up a
little bit more of burm, I saw turned dirt in a
row and I had the feeling that there were people
there. They weren't in and ready for action, they
were sitting around smoking and joking. But that
there was scraped dirt in there - in under the trees
and that had been piled up. . . in a long row.
Okay.
#66:
All right.
#31:
I'll call that 20 to 25 feet. And I'll say a
few people. Hasty
.
#66:
And what weaponry did you see here?
#31:
I did not see any actual weaponry there, all right?
#66:
Okay.
#31:
I didn't get a feeling for automatic crew serve
weapons or anything, really. I had more rifle
pit feeling. I didn't see any special places
or areas or anything else, I felt more like a rife
pit firing line type of a situation. I didn't. .
didn't get attracted. But all this while, if
you notice I'm working towards one corner.
All the
while, from the minute I entered Area K, I wanted
to get to the upper left hand corner there because
I . . . felt that that was the important area of
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#66:
Okay.
#31:
That that's where all the pee was going to come
out from, okay. And they had all their aces
stacked up in that corner. That's why they
didn't have to worry about anti-personnel mines
in this area and everything because they really
had fire power there, you know.
All the time I
was moving this way. All right.
PAUSE
Now what do I say? Okay.
There is something in
that corner. I don't know if its on the . . that
or not. I had a
. What I described was.
Hmm? What?
#6.5:
I said an aircraft carrier.
#31:
Oh, Ha ha.
#6.5:
(Not audible).
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#31:
I'll just write See Sketch 5, here. See Sketch
6. Because there's no way to do it justice.
#66:
Okay, so what you're gonna draw in 6 is what
you saw to be up in the right
#31:
Yeah, right in that area, okay.
#66:
Okay.
#31:
"Cause there is something there and I don't know
what the hell. All right. I had the feeling
of a low wall.
When I first looked at it, it
looked like a low platform of some kind.
Okay .
PAUSE
All right.
#66:
At one time you said you thought it was a side
of a building but then it didn't make sense 'cause
it wasn't high enough?
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#31:
Um hm. Right. It appeared. . . Right.
Absolutely.
It was like the damnthing was
only eight feet at the max high. Maybe six
feet. Okay.
It was like just above my head
level.
Okay .
You know, if like you were to .
just put yourself up high enough so you could see
everything but you're not really up high. You
could just put yourself up high enough so you
can see everything. All right. And the woods
are right here in the foreground.
PAUSE
Okay. Here's the foreground trees and everything.
Okay. Its like I'm looking through the tree here.
Anyway, right off the corner of this sucker, this
tree here - that's not a good picture, screw it.
Let me draw the tree first, then I'll draw what
the hell I'm trying to do. Okay, there's a tree
there, tree back there like that. Okay.
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I don't know how far back the damn thing goes.
And here is this feeling of a burm. Okay, I was
telling you there was a little burm. I had the
feeling that the ground tapers off here on this
edge. Okay, and it tapers off all the way down.
Okay, but there's something there. . . on this
end of it and under the tree its like its covered
over with trees, because the trees come right
along the side of this thing, is a crew serve
weapon. I had a definite feeling that there were
two at this position.
One on the ground. Okay,
and one on top.
Maybe 25 feet from each other.
All right. Now, I don't know where this thing
came from.
Where it is or what it is.
PAUSE
From the top. In the upper right hand corner
of the top, I'll do the rest of it. Okay.
PAUSE
There is a little wall around it. Not much. The
weapon sits in there.
Overtop of the wall.
All
right. I'm just drawing it in.
I don't know what
kind of a weapon it is. Its something.
There's
two guys up there. All right. Now. Here, if
you can get the feeling for overhanging foilage,
okay, there's overhanging foilage here because
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its right along the edge of that tree line.
And down here as though you were looking
through this tree is where the other one is.
Okay.
It sits down on the ground.
PAUSE
I had the feeling that this thing. . . that the
one weapon is sitting on is maybe - what did I
say in the session, 30 feet long? 25 or 30 feet
long.
PAUSE
Okay.
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#66:
And that from this position, they somehow over-
look?
#31:
Yeah.
This is there. . This isthe thing the
strategic point, I had the feeling.
Its the
main fire point. Okay.
#66:
How about putting a dotted line at an angle across
that page. so we can separate those two images
one from the other.
PAUSE
#31:
Okay.
This is an aerial.
PAUSE
Horizontal
, what do you call that when you
have
Terrace.
Its a small terrace along
here.
PAUSE
Okay, small terrace comes along this wall of the
place. In other words, the small terrace would
go right up the tree line. Its as though the
trees grow up and out of the ground but the terrace
goes across the trees, you know, so it looks like
if you didn't . . . Like I was drifting.
I was
saying Jesus Christ, I'm on the side of a hill.
You know, this sucker's 20 feet deep down here
and I was saying No, now wait a minute, it isn't
20 feet deep, its only, Oh, it looks like its
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only maybe a four or five foot drop slowing
tapering off. But I . . the idea of it was
the tree's growing at an angle to the side of
the hill. Okay, you get what I'm feeling now?
#66:
Sure.
#31:
Okay .
#66:
Sure.
#31:
Okay.
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That position or whatever it is. The top of a
structure or building or a wall that they've
moved in behind or something like that to use,
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#31:
Okay, I . . .
this place. . had the feeling that
it was . . At least on the one side it was in under
overhanging foilage. I had the feeling that it
was light in that I could discern it and I could
make it out in the darkness.
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That, like it could be . . . no, as a matter. .
I'm sure that its some sort of a roof type thing
because the . . where the guns are positioned it.
feels as though that too is a cement deck. It .
It felt like it was a cement deck. They are not
sitting in dirt. They're sitting on something
which is three dimensional.
Its not behind some-
thing which is two dimensional. Its as though
they're sitting on top of something that's three
dimensional.
Its as though they're sitting on
top of something that's three dimensional.
And
I also had the feeling that at times, if I
let
. if I just sort of drifted, I felt like
maybe if I drifted in time I could see another
three or four or five people up behind this wall
without crew serve weapons, but like other people
coming in and leaning, sleeping against the wall
or leaning back against it like this. Lounging
around. But when I was there, there was nobody
there. Except the crew. I had the crew there.
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But if I had let myself drift in time, which
I think I did, I had the impression that other
people did come here. You know.
All right.
And I'll just do another thing.
As though its
a cross section here.
#66:
Okay.
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#31:
That's a question mark.
I just don't know how
long the thing is.
PAUSE
Proportion, proportion thing #31, its not a
big thing.
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Okay.
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With a tree there.
You know.
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And the other gun is right down there.
Okay .
That's about all I can do.
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I will
- All right, I'll put it in.
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Okay, like that ..
That's the feeling that I had.
That if anything was going to happen that four
or five other dudes would come out and would come
along this wall. and lay down and they'd do their
thing right there.
Okay.
That's about it.
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But like I said, where the hell that place is
I don't know. No idea. I mean, its in that
quadron, I have no doubt about that.
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was putting it right at the edge of the woods
there. But other than that, that's it.
#66:
Do you have any questions as you're going
through the drawings?
#6.5:
A lot of questions.
#66:
All right.
#6.5:
Just take them back in order, okay?
#31:
Um hm.
#6.5:
Okay, I missed. . I missed the first part
of this (not audible) these are sticking into
the ground?
#31:
No. They're resting on top of the ground.
#6.5:
Okay.
#31:
They're seeded on top; they're resting on top
of the grass.
#6.5:
Okay.
#31:
They're in plain view. You can drive around
them, you can see them, you can walk around them.
#66:
Drawing Number 1.
#6.5:
Okay.
#31:
There are two shots at that. One I had the
feeling of a pencil rod was my first impression
and then I had a fleeting thing of thing of
like a Pert-25 with antenna. You know, small
curve piece of plastic, metal or something that
would bend. Okay. All right. That's that.
#6.5:
And that's what you refer to as Number One's?
#31:
Number One's throughout the sketch, yes.
#6.5:
So these are, this whole area is seeded with
Number One's?
#31:
Yes, I had the feeling that the Number 2's were
being used around the margins and the periphery
and that the Number One's were being used in the
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Um hm.
Um hm.
#31:
And that you would not find Number 2's in the
center.
#6.5:
The Number 2's, are they over in here?
#31:
I don't know.
#6.5:
You don't know.
#31:
I . . I . . you know.
Extrapelated enough by
saying that, I think.
It was just an impression.
But the 2's.
.
I did not see 2's around the
margins. I felt that that was their strategy.
Put 2's around them, the margins.
#6.5:
The guards are here? Some other people up here?
#31:
Yes.
#6.5:
You don't know about anybody (not audible) ?
#31:
No.
These dotted lines are my track.
#6.5:
I understand.
#31:
Okay, so I did not get down in there.
#6.5:
Then, if you walk through here, you come across
what may be mines against the trees?
#31:
Yes .
That looks this way.
#6.5:
Coming through here.
#31:
Yes, as though its like this, okay.
Here are the
trees which are here at the bottom of 3. Pointing
into Area L, I felt that that is what they had -
I saw these plates resting against the bases of
trees.
#6.5:
Um hm.
#31:
I didn't call them claymore in the session.
They
reminded me very much of claymores. And I had
this like fleeting image of . . of detination and
trees falling down. Okay, that type of a feeling.
#6.5:
Okay.
I want to make sure though that that area
is someplace in this general area.
#31:
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#6.5:
Its not someplace along this track.
place right here.
Its some-
#31:
Yeah.
#6.5:
Basically speaking.
#31:
Right. Now I'm not saying that there's none at
either end. They are where I penetrated the tree
line which is just about in the middle from the
way I feel.
About in the middle point.
#6.5:
Yeah.
#31:
Okay?
#6.5:
Okay .
I just wanted to make sure.
-
#31:
Sure.
Now this is of course, this is the reverse
of this.
This looks this way.
#6.5:
Yeah, I know (not audible). Okay, fine.
And then again, you've got some more of these
in this area here.
#31:
Yeah.
#6.5:
Throughout this area did you sense, or just on
this track?
#31:
That I'm not too sure of. When I got into Area K,
I suddenly had this impression that I want find
any here.
I did see the One's. I did see the
Number 1's. But I had the impression that I won't
find any piles of dirt here. And I couldn't figure
out why I wouldn't find any, but I just knew that
I wouldn't find any there. And I didn't see any,
okay. But as I progressed through it, I began to
get this sensation that the reason I wouldn't find
any there is because they figured that they had it
pretty well covered.
#6.5:
Um hm.
#31:
Okay?
#6.5:
Um hm.
#31:
With fire. As opposed as to having to rely more
heavily on any personnel mines and anything, they
figured they had it more heavily covered with
live fire. Okay. So, I did see One's. I did
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have a . . . As soon as I penetrated the tree
line or broke the tree lining, started low
crawling out, swimming through the grass into
Area K, I got a large number of skyline shots
of these pencil things sticking up. . out of
the darkness into the ambient light, right.
#6.5:
Um hm.
#31:
But I did not get any feeling for mounds of
earth, freshly turned mounds of earth like I
had before.
#6.5:
You didn't notice anything else on the ground
then? As you came through the area?
#31:
No.
No.
#6.5:
Okay. Any wiring in this woods like there was
on the other side?
#31:
Well, that is the same woods.
#6.5:
Okay.
#31:
See. That is the same woods there. Inbetween
the trees is where this wiring runs but they're
not like here in "L" where I had a feeling that
wire ran out to vehicles? I didn't have anyting
like that.
I didn't see a wire runing out in
on the ground.
#6.5:
So that wiring is still there?
#31:
Yeah. Its in here.
#6.5:
You didn't sense any people on that side of the
?
#31:
No. I did not:
And, again, I had this, sort
of this matter of fact feeling of Well, I won't
find any there.
#6.5:
Yeah.
#31:
You know, and after it all started to fall together,
it became more and more logical why I wouldn't
find anybody there. You know.
The reason its
because its a killing zone. Its right inbetween
two lines of fire. So they are not going to put
any of their own people out there.
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I had the feeling that these vehicles apparently
randomly moved may have something to do with
where they've got their folks. Just an odd shot,
I had the feeling .
. . you notice here, I had
vehicles in this corner and here I had vehicles
in that corner.
Okay, when you put these two
suckers together like this, well overlap them so
that they fit, okay, what do we, I have some
feeling that they are being used as like blockades.
#6.5:
Um hm.
#31:
As cover for their own people maybe.
Now up
here, that theory doesn't apply because I have
this wire running out to a bunch of them.
They
might be used to carry explosives. But here,
and here, you notice how these two fit in opposite
corners. And there's a dude sitting right over
here. And I was just . . I had this weird feeling
that possibly they were dumb enough to try to use
vehicles lined up to block fire coming from
another, you know, from another quadron of the
kill zone.
Instead of keeping all their dudes
on one side like they should, that they'd put them
out in the line of fire and then park cars around
them.
You know, but see how they fit?"
#6.5:
Um hm.
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This gun here, going back to this gun here which
is Sketch 3, there's a gun in there, which way is
that oriented?
#31:
That's out into the . .
that's out into this.
#6.5:
Oriented back out that way?
#31:
Yeah.
Now this is Area L now, remember?
#6.5:
I understand, that's why I said back on Page 3.
#31:
Yes.
Yes.
Its oriented into the center, into
the kill zone in Area L.
#6.5:
Okay.
I don't want to be the guy down here.
I
don't care if you've got trees there or not.
#31:
Ha ha. Yeah, that's right.
That's what's really
weird to me is that what did fall together means
that we've got a slip-shod operation going down.
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#6.5:
Two people, haste position.
£
All right
once you got over in this thing here, this
corner where you saw the two guns, you never
got back over in here?
#31:
No, I did not. That's about the time I petered
out.
I started getting a body cramp.
#6.5:
Okay.
#31:
And then it started to break my focus.
#6.5:
Um hm.
Okay .
Good.
I understand that one.
#31:
You do?
#6.5:
No questions.
#31:
And this one?
#6.5:
Yes.
#31:
Okay.
#6.5:
Okay.
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TARGET CUING
INFORMATION
REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CC 23
1.
(S)
The viewer has been exposed to open source news media
information as well as classified overhead imagery. He knew he
would be working against the hostage situation in Iran.
2.
(S) At the time of the session the viewer was shown overhead
imagery of the US Embassy compound in Teheran, Iran.
The imagery
is not included herein due to its classification.
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