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SESSION REPORT
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SUMMARY ANALYSIS
REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DC-88
SG1B
1,
(S/NOFORN)
This report documents a remote viewing session conducted in
compliance with a request for information concerning
SG1B
2. (S/NOFORN) The remote viewer's impressions of the target are provided
as raw intelligence data, and as such, have not been subjected to any
intermediate analysis, evaluation or collation. Interpretation and use of
the information provided is the responsibility of the requestor.
3. (S/NOFORN) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the document
Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol (S), undated.
4.
(S/NOFORN) Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions during
the remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made by the remote viewer
reference his impressions of the target site. At TAB B is target cuing
information provided the remote viewer.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DC-88
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#66:
This will be a remote viewing session for 1400 hours,
20 February 1981.
SG1B
This will be a pre-session briefing to the remote viewer.
Iws one interested in obtaining some information about
SG1B
SG1B
We do not have a picture of him at the present time, but I
do have photographs of the offices where he is known to
visit. At this time I'd like to show you, uh, one of the
offices that he spends most of his time at. This is in
a building in
And you'll notice down here in the
lower left there's a man standing there. I have been informed
that this is the entranceway, where the man is standing, a
control point or stopping point where you have to go to get
into the building. And there's a doorway there for that man
to go in.
That's the way into the building there. And this
works, in this
is where
building.
SG1B
#31:
Okay .
SG1B
#66:
Now, he has also an office or also is known to work in
headquarters, and I'm now showing you. a picture of
quarters. Now I'm going to point to an area in the
headquarters where his office is suspected to be located.
Right here in this middle wing, down this way in the middle
wing, on the fourth or fifth floor, right down in there.
head-
SG1B
SG1B
#31:
Okay .
#66:
Okay. That's where his suspected location of the office is
there. Now he sometimes will go, uh, to this office later
in the day to maybe turn in some reports or catch up on some-
thing, but most of his work, as I understand it, is done
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#66:
over at this other building that I've shown you. But that
is the
headquarters, so you might find him at either
location.
SG1B
SG1B
SG1B
SG1B
#31:
Okay.
SG1B
SG1B
#66:
Now as to time, it is approaching 9:00 .at night in
today. Today's date in
as we talk right now it's
approaching 9:00 at night in
We, however, are
interested in the time window of 5 in the evening to 7 in
the evening today. So we'll be looking at a time window
some 4 to 5 hours back in time from right now to the time
period 5 to 7 p.m.
SG1B
#31:
Okay .
#66:
Okay?
#31:
Today.
#66:
Today.
#31:
Okay. . .
SG1B
#66:
The purpose of this particular mission, this will be the
first in a series of attempts with
SG1B
an attempt to build rapport with the man. So
the primary stress of the session will be to develop and
build rapport and a direct relationship with this gentleman,
as opposed to physical descriptions of the area where he
works, and so forth and so on, which of course will be
helpful but it's not the overall purpose. The purpose is
to build rapport and communications with the individual him-
self.
#31:
Okay.
#66:
Okay?
Do you have any other questions before you prepare
yourself?
#31:
Nope.
#66:
Okay, you have 25 minutes then to prepare yourself.
SG1B
SG1B
Focus your attention now, focus your attention on
Move back in time
some 4 hours and describe
location to me.
PAUSE
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#31:
I'm seeing a, uh .......
. . (mumble) buildings ....
I see him
at ... a place with fences with buildings, high fences ... on
a corner ..
. Another
.snow ... dirty street-side
snow pile, slushy ....
Someplace down past the corner is where you come in. .. through
the fence, you go through the fence to the building, like.
#66:
Focus on
and tell me about him.
SG1B
PAUSE
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#31:
Up above the ground and.
Getting the feeling I'm
above the ground, like some sort of a apartment complex, not
very high, fifth floor. The large window looks out ... two
large windows, maybe some kind of a balcony ...
It's either
very private or some sort of controlled access. Get the
feeling of being special, special to get here ...
#66:
Tell me about the General's more immediate surroundings.
#31:
He, uh ... see him, uh ... I'm seeing a figure, attracted to a
desk like situation ...
#66:
Go on.
#31:
Appears to be at the desk ...
#66:
And from-
#31:
I'm looking over his shoulder, I'm behind him.
#66:
All right.
#31:
I'm in the wall behind him in the wall. Back sits to a wall.
He's sitting ... I'm on him now, he's like he's .... leaning
over the table, it's like he's hunkered over the desk.
He's reading something ... that's it, reading. And like an
old man who's like a engraver, reminds me of an engraver,
like he has to look very closely at things. And his posture
is like that. But he's reading.
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#66:
Okay. As he is sitting at his desk occupied there reading,
he is occupied, therefore his mind is free to talk to you.
Ask him to describe his job to you. Ask
to describe his job to you.
SG1B
PAUSE
#31:
Now I'm seeing a ... something to do with ... financial plans.
At one time ... Another time, uh, something which ... looked
the corner of a. very Gothic like structure, gargoyles, and
at another time ... I ask some more ...
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#31:
I'm seeing ..... uh, something to do with, uh, security and
fences and death strips and border security and then I
said his ..... he said his job was concerned with the people.
#66:
Okay.
#31:
But I don't think he's in with the people, I think he is ...
much, much too far above that to be concerned about real
people. One to one he's, uh, way above that now. And then
I'd had a scene of like. poles, like a ... flag poles, which
are meant. to mean that ... he was up at the high levels now,
and not out in the death strips anymore ...
#66:
All right. What- describe for me now what aspects of his
job, what aspects of his job does he enjoy most.
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#31:
Well ... training ...
Got something to do with a big black
car ... And he enjoys being where he is, in it's entirety.
And the only thing I can think of is the ... training is his,
uh, I get the idea of training young people, something about
much younger people like youthful people and some ... some-
thing, I don't know
#66:
Do you still perceive him sitting at this desk?
#31:
For a while he was up and looking out the window.
Now I
have him back at his desk again.
#66:
All right. What time is it as he looks out the window?
#31:
The sun's on the horizon, light's shining in, it's like he's
looking over the city at dusk, it's like it's later after-
noon or something.
#66:
All right ... Move around to the front of the desk now, move
away, back away from the desk, about 5 feet from the desk.
Describe the area behind him.
#31:
It is a flat wall and ... behind him, and then to the right is
a opening like a walkway. And I'm in like a suite of rooms ...
something. By his left elbow is a doorway that you can walk
past his desk ... or ... table.
SG1B
#66:
Okay . . .
Now turn to him again. You have had some time to
come to. know
I'd like to pro-
SG1B
vide you with a little more information now. His nickname
SG1B
is
His nickname is
You may now address him
by this name, as you know him.
And as you once again turn
SG1B
to
and identify with
describe his personality
to me.
SG1B
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#31:
He seems to me a very dottering ... very, very dottering and
old. Every time I ask him. .. he comes across very weakly
as ... very, very tired .... very retiring ... excessively old ...
like he's, uh, now put in a out of the way job and he's
served well but now he's getting reading to be retired. I
don't know, every time I look at him he's ... every time I
see him walk. he walks like an old man. His, uh, one state-
ment was "you'll never succeed" ... Let me work some more.
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I read these plans which are ... yes, it is a good plan. It's
a ... some sort of a survival plan ... like not general civil
defense, but, uh, something to do with an elite remnant, or
a controlled remnant to survive ...
#66:
Okay, I have no further questions about our work this after-
noon, but I would like you to take a look now maintaining
your continuity at the building in which this room is located,
so that you might be able to describe it to me ... And when
you are ready we can prepare to draw ...
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#31:
All the things I get are of defensive nature. Everything is
like ... him; or involved in, the security of ... defensive
nature. I did not get any offensive work or ... exporting of
any interest or anything, it's all internal, to the country,
or internal to the bureaucracy, I don't know which. ..
He
has many of these plans though. Many of these plans are sub-
mitted, and he reviews them. And they're all alike ...
"what if" plans, they're all plans, what if something happens,
they're not the plans that are put into effect autom- oh, of
their own volition, they're plans that are taken if something
happens.
#66:
Okay.
#31:
Contingency plans of some kind.
#66:
Okay .
If you'll hold your comments for a moment I'm going to
turn the tape over now.
Just relax and concentrate for a
moment.
You may continue.
#31:
Mm ... I provoke him, I say our plans must be better than yours.
He says no, your plans cannot be better than ours. And I
say well, how do you know this?
It is as though they have
lived these plans before. Very interesting feeling, like we
have been through this, they have been through this so they
know much more about it than we would, so therefore their
plans would be better, because like they've already done it
and so they know what it's all about.
I'm ... hmm, that's about all I can get.
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#66:
Okay. Let's prepare to draw then the images that you have
concerning
SG1B
#31:
Okay, um ... The first thing I had was a ... a street side
scene, a snowy city street side, you know, with the snow piled
up and all dirty and slushy from passing cars and everything.
Sketch 1 shows. a ... standing on a street corner, looking along
the side of a building from the left. A car pulls up. Guy
gets out of the car. That's some sort of a pullover. Pull-
ing off, you know, drive-up like thing on the side of the
road and the guy gets out and walks up into the building.
Some sort of a driveway and a sliding gate in the background,
to the back right of sketch #1 and a funny regul- vertical
regularity around the place as though I was looking at fence
posts, large fence security, hurricane security fence posts
with wedgies on it, with V's on the top to carry concertina
wire. Well, I've drawn that in and I'm pretty sure that the
fence feeling, but there certainly was some sort of picketing
around the building.
Uh ... anyway, the guy got out of the car, walked up into the
building. Guy in a dark coat, bent over. So I sorta took
it to be, you know, the guy.
In sketch 2 I've drawn an overhead of sketch one.
Uh .. .
which, coincidentally enough, although when I first finished
the session I didn't said I didn't recognize the building
or anything, afterwards when I looked at the little sketch I
noticed that the trees along the sidewalk in the sketch were
dead and that for the first time, or they seem to be have no
leaves, and then they made little forks at the top of 'em,
you know.
So I don't know if I was at that place or not, and
the fence may just be overlay or there may now be a fence
since that picture was taken.
But, uh ... there is, I recognize and I acknowledge a certain
similarity between my sketch 1 and 2 and, and the little
photograph of the modern building.
#66:
Okay, as opposed to the
SG1B
headquarters building.
#31:
Yeah, well, there's nothin' there that I can see that's
similar, you know.
#66:
Okay .
#31:
You know, but I had a modern feeling about this place, about
the place I was at. And there's a brick front, and there's
a brick front here, you know .... And here's the, you know,
the trees across the front sorta. regular. It's obviously
got snow on the ground, you know.
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#31:
In the background here I noticed the caption says car which
is seldom moved. There is a gate there, somethin' like
that, and I've got some sort of a gate and driveway there.
So ... after it's all over and said and done with I think that
there's a similarity to the little building.
#66:
Okay.
#31:
Uh, okay, that's sketch 2 is the overhead.
Sketch 3, oh, what's his name? Goya, Goyeem, Goyem, huh?
#66:
Well, his, uh,
is his nickname.
SG1B
SG1B
#31:
huh ?. Okay. Anyway, I find him in some sort of a
regularly, uh, regularly, in some sort of a L shaped barren
room.
Now that's the kicker is this like, it's like it's
nearly vacant. Like he's the only guy that's got anything in
there. He sits with his back to the wall at a desk on some
sort of a little platform, not a big one, but some sort of
a little platform, and god knows why they got him on a little
platform there.
Um, he's in a, along a free passageway as though he sits with
his back to a partition which separates him from someone
bigger. And like he's just an artifact sitting out front
that people come and go by and he really is not a guy that
commands a lot of, um, kowtowing anymore.
I'm not saying
that he ever did, but right now he doesn't really.
You know the, you know the situation that a guy is in that,
uh ... uh, it's really a funny, funny situation, but like the
guy who is just, the colonel or the general who is just in-
processing and he still isn't really the general yet. So
people still- and he's sitting at a desk next to the outside
from the real general and he's reading all this stuff maybe,
but people don't have to kowtow to him yet, so they just
walk by and talk to the old general.
Yeah, it's that sort of a feeling, like he's stuck outside
and people really don't bother with him. And that the real
power is back behind him there. And as I've written here
it's like he's, as if he's not the director but he's like
the XO, someone who sits outside the director's office and
nobody really bothers with him unless they have a specific
reason to.
And he's sitting there, some sort of linear thing like maybe
flags even. This about a seventh floor.
I've written
seventh floor, but it's about the seventh floor window.
It's
not a ... not a superstructure window way high up, but it's
not a regular two or three story apartment house, which I
thought I was in when I first started was like an apartment,
a private residence, private apartment complex.
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#31:
Um, he reads these plans in the form of pamphlets, someone
bigger sits back there. I'm reading here. Okay. That's
that.
And 4 is an overview of this room which has two windows
that look out on the city from about the 7th floor ...
And I'll write bigger guy's office. I did see a view of
safes, when I was tryin' to talk to him ... Really sort of
mixed up.
Uh ... didn't have as much luck really communicating. I don't
think he wanted really to communicate. It was like you're
not gonna have much luck, you know. You're not gonna do very
well in this, trying this on me, but you can, you know, you're
not gonna do very good.
Um, several things really came through. One is that he seemed
much older and feeble than I would've expected. You know,
he's like, uh, Omar Bradley is, you know, really, really old
and feeble type situation. Like me- and then this sort of
fit in with where he was sitting, like pushed off on the side.
Okay?
Uh ... still rather quick but stuck doing some make work until
me could be retired type of feeling. A feeling of reminiscing
like, but still had some sort of a legitimate job, but he
sorta knew it was all bullshit. Reviewing these plans, very
conser- very involved in the east-west confrontation and how,
and he'd sort of recognize that I, I think, that I was a poten-
tial hostile, with whom, I felt as though I was hostile
enemy with whom he was having a very, uh, philisophical and
abstract, gentlemanly, very
discussion. Okay?
SG1B
Uh ... what are the other high points? Something to do with
training of youngsters. Something to do with security. And
then the more and more I worked with, I was like acting,
you know, it was like ... I was like provoking him to make
something. 'Cause I wasn't getting anywhere. He was sitting
at this desk, and I was standing to his right. And I like
put my hand down on the table real fast and I said our plans
are just as good as your plans. And then he responded, he
said no, they can't be, or they, I forget what I said but
they're, they can't be as good as our plans. I said well
why aren't they as good as our plans, or why aren't, you know,
ours have got, ours are definitely better. And he said some-
thing like no because you haven't, the feeling was like you
haven't lived through it, we have, so we know what we're
doing when it comes to this type of defensive thing. And it
was like saving things from obli-, you know, from .... destruc-
tion.
I was like feeling things like, uh, the fleeting thought
went through my head of how the Soviets evacuated all their
major industries to the east during World War II. And they
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had it all prioritized and all lined out. And when Germany
came across and they fought a defensive battle, and while
they were delaying they could evacuate people, and they
could evacuate industry to the east.
Uh, something to do with. saving ... small little clicks ... or
groups of people, like 50,000 here and 50,000 there, like
maybe. civil defense, general civil defense planning. Which
probably would be in the KGB's hands, you know, for the
country. And almost a elitist feeling like the people that
were being saved.were somewhat elite in the sense that maybe
they were the educated of the country, or the powered elite
of the country .. Certainly the educated. Maybe the powered
elite of the country to carry on afterwards, you know.
Some, you know, and this whole thing was like defense, general
defense planning. That's about it.
#66:
Okay. I think you pretty well covered, uh, the subject matter.
#31:
That's all I have. Do you have any questions?
#66:
No.
#31:
Do you have anything further to add?
#66:
No.
#31:
Ha-ha-ha-ha.
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DIRECTOR BUT HIS XO - someone
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TARGET CUING INFORMATION
REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DC-88
1. (S/NOFORN)
Information provided the remote viewer is documented as
a presession interview and included in the transcript. Attached are photographs
shown to the remote viewer.
2. (S/NOFORN) During the session the remote viewer was asked to elaborate on
portions of his descriptions relating to the intelligence question at hand.
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SG1B
TARGET :
SG1B
NICKNAME :
(To close friends)
Background:
SG1B
- Very high official in
HE Is A chief
SG1B
of one of Their
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born - GRCA 1928
$ 53
height - 6 feet
weight - 175 11:5
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build - very Strop - Shoulderet *
- HAIR : light smoothly combed back receiving
HAIRline
1
- NOSE : beAk. like
- WEARS READING GLASSES
8 the time difference.
( 9mm (here) - 5 PM ( Rund)
SG1B
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