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#00:
From the latitude and longitude that you
gave us, along with
the photograph
it is apparent that the building is in the
Washington, D.C. area. 'And, what I'd like
to have you consider, and we can discuss
this after the session, is whether or not
you want to do.
it's been my observation,
particularly in. . in the last experience
that #99 has had working in the archeological
area in Egypt of the value of proximity. We
have been working on that project for over a
year from here.
From the United States.
And
while the input has been in some cases amazingly
detailed, what #99 has reported after being on
site - on the (not audible) and the sphynx and
this area, reinforces what the literature has
told us and #99 . . by previous experience is
that there is .
there is importance, that
proximity is important. What I'm suggesting
is a consideration of driving to and around
the building and . . to see what additional
information #99 can pick up by being closer
to the target. You know, I'd like to have you
just think about that as a. . as we go through
the thing.
#6.5:
I am not in a position to make a decision on
that.
#00:
Yeah.
#6.5:
Okay.
Granted, I know that it is in the
Washington, DC area - whatever that means -
within a radius of 20 miles I guess.
But, I
do not know and have never been to the building.
Okay.
So.
#00:
Well, its a suggestion and you may want to pass
it on.
You know we could do that Friday morning
and I could
we could cut the tape in the car.
#6.5:
Um hm.
#00:
And make it available to you.
#6.5:
Okay.
Fine.
I will. . I will be back on .
one.
two.
I probably will give you a call
Thursday night.
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#00:
Okay. All right.
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#00:
All right, #99, we have . . let's take
.
discuss the three points.
First of
all I would like to have a . . a real
concentrated effort - and I will try to
assist you in this - in being very sure of
where we are operating as a function of time.
This is not a problem, but this is something
that we must recognize - that you have a
capability of shifting the time forward and
back. as well as operating in the current
timeframe, so . . what we're interested in
in this room and this building is what is
going on contemporarily - at the present time.
And, let's see if we can clear up the . . the
issue of the number of the room. The room
was given
On several occasions on
the tape, and I corrected you one time, after
you had said
I said
and you didn't,
you didn't say anything, you just went on.
Is there a significance of
or was that
just simply a lapse on your part as far as
the number is concerned.
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#99:
No.
It isn't because. . . I remember numbers
very well.
In other words, anything psychically
that comes as a number, you know,
these
numbers are clear.
The 303 number came in as
a flash into my mind that I had to pay some
attention to number
I
said room
and
I'm going to stick with that because of the
psychic input that I have there. That it must
have some reference in some way which we did
not discuss, to
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#00:
Well, let's have a little. . a small debate
about this #99.
You know, I accept what you
said, but I recall at least on one occasion,
you were - I don't think in an altered state
of consciousness - I think we were having a
discussion like much as we are now and in the
pattern of speech you said in room
Now,
you know, I think that was a . . I don't think
that was a psychic input at that point, but of
course you could have had the imprint of
at that point. But I am recalling on one occasion
how
was used by you.
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#99:
If it was in error, from my previous work, I
would have not repeated it twice, once I was
corrected or three times. That's a very
important factor I found with
also.
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We had ignored that in the very beginning.
And later on proved that
whether its
room
or
connected with that room,
but I did say room
It had some signifi-
cance.
I mean in other
areas.
So I am not
going to dismiss it.
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#00:
Okay.
#99:
As such now.
Whether there is a room
in
that building, I don't know. I mean I have
not, you know, made that whole statement in
there as such.
But there's something connected
with
in the building.
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#6.5:
The problem that that posed for me was some of
your other statements saying that one something
spontaneously leaps out at you, whether it be a
number or whatever, it usually is significant.
#99:
Yes.
#6.5:
The way it came up at least once in the text
and the way you're explaining it now, that you
may have gone to
because that was more
important to you than
the mission you're on.
#99:
Let me put it
It wasn't more important
than the mission that I was on, but had some
relation to the mission that I was on.
#6.5:
Hmm .
Well, we'd like to.
.
If we could,
divert slightly.
.
#99:
And go back to
#6.5:
Go to
#99:
#6.5:
Just slightly.
And tell us about
#00:
That's fair.
Let's try to clear the issue
up, #99.
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#99:
Okay.
Can we come back to that question.
.
#00:
Okay.
#99:
I would like it to come back as spontaneous
as we go on to the. . . Let me . . Let me
put it this way, as we're talking I'm getting
like a connection and I'm going to put it a
connection like
. as if I was walking
from one area that is very highly specific
or specified into another area which would
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give me
All right.
Where it would be
a front.
All right. That's the only way I
can explain it.
At this point.
#00:
Okay. Well, let me ask a couple questions
and you may . . just for you to think about.
When you say front, you know, that term, I'm
not sure I understand what a front means so
I want to find out what you mean when you say
front.
#99:
All right.
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#00:
Front in the sense that . . that you enter
into
and after you have negotiated that
then
that
allows you egress, access rather to
the.
or something like that.
Or do you
mean
front
in some other sense.
#99:
Yeah. What it means. . Front means. . What I
mean is that
.
. you would walk in
.
there and let's say that it was an insurance
company,
#00:
Okay.
#99:
And it really isn't an insurance company, it
deals with an insurance company and may have
a legitimate license as an insurance company.
But really its feeding material to
#00:
Okay, so you're using front in a sense of
. of cover.
#99:
Cover.
#00:
Okay.
#99:
See,
from the very beginning when you gave me
all right, the room was not enough for me.
#00:
All right.
Well, let's explore that. Is
and
adequate or are there other rooms
also in
·
.
connected in the sense, perhaps
not physically connected, but conceptually
connected in that they're supportive of each
other.
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#99:
At this present time I have to say this much.
That the only two rooms, or two number that
I'm getting and I'm going to use numbers instead
of rooms is
and
Now, most of the time
yesterday, I was in
but there are areas
that I feel, and this came you know, when I was
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walking and when. . I was so silent through
. the route of the car and again this
morning. . . that I have strongly felt that
at certain points as I was seeing something
in one room, all right, the shift easily
could have been into
and one of these
things that the shift could be into was this
high mechanical or what it was mechanical
thing - but I am not sure and that is why I
have to go return into the room.
#00;
Okay.
#99:
Do you follow.
In other words, that some of
the equipment that I was seeing was. . it was
like a split screen.
All right.
But showing
me the relationship at the same time from one
room to another.
#00:
All right, we have several
#99:
Do you follow. . do you follow that?
SG1A
#00:
We. . yeah, we have several possibilities
then.
That while the sketch you drew yesterday
of
it maybe still essentially accurate and
that there is some apparatus, machinery at one
end and also some in
or that you in fact had
merged to the contents of two rooms and that the
machinery and perhaps something else is in
and not in
or that there is machinery in
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both rooms.
I mean, these are three obvious
A fourth option is that there are other
options.
rooms besides
and
and we will have to
explore this today.
And, of course, I would be
interested if there is machinery in both rooms,
#99, if there is a connection. That is, if the
machines themselves - like a computer you may
have the main terminal, you may have the main
processing unit in one room, but terminals in
other rooms and connected by just normal wire
linkage, that sort of thing.
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#99:
Let me. . pose something as a picture running
through my mind.
Let's say. . . let's say
here I am in
and let me say that I have
a geographical, what I can see of the room,
don't get me wrong.
And my . . (not audible)
another option here that I have to consider
psychically.
Let's say that one of the rooms
within
is
In other words, am I seeing
you know, another room, in there. I'm not
saying psychically that it is, I'm merely opening
the option that it may all be, you know, one
floor which appears more at this time, some kind
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of like. . I cannot visualize the room as
being one room
like this.
It is extended
for me from what I could gather last night as
I was moulding over it.
It is not one that
I walk into a small room and here is room
and its just a small room.
There is an extension
that I see and that's what last night - I was
very silent and I was trying to put together,
what is this extension. Is this extension
another room connected with it, or a separate
room.
But
did play an important part in
my thinking last night, because I realized
that I have never come out with a number that
is not meaningful.
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#00:
Okay, #99, just before we went on tape, another
possibility is that
has a significance other
than a room number.
#99:
Than a room number.
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#00:
And so we'll try to explore those this morning.
All right, let's get back to another concern
that was expressed.
That is, the concept of a
leakage or information leaving the suite of
rooms.
And, I think just for terminology and so
SG1A
as to not to bias what will come out later, whether
its
or
I'll simply state that when I
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say the suite, I
mean the suite that the nominal
entrance is
because that is the target.
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I'm gonna to refer to it as the suite now instead
of
and I'm not gonna mention
I
want you
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to bring that up and clear that up for us.
The
concern is, that the suite, which is the target
the entrance of which is
the leak of inform-
ation, is that information leakage contemporary.
Is that going on right now?
#99:
The answer is yes. And very strongly yes. I
am going to return to some of the images that
I got while we were driving in the car last
night.
#00:
All right.
#99:
There is again a feeling, and I have to express
that as a feeling more than an image, that there
is a group in which I feel, and I'm not going to
give any nationality, it could be the United
States at this time, I have not made any, any
where some information is being received,
or certain information is gotten into which this
leakage of information leaves this room.
Now
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I have a.
have a problem.
All right.
I have a problem.
And the problem is this, sir.
On the one side, my psychic says something and
on the other side it says something else. And,
I'm not trying to confuse myself, its just that
I have to give you the impression.
The psychic
impression is that whatever is going there.
all right.
. . someone within the government
knows of the activity. That's a strange state-
ment.
#00:
Well, let me . . let me ask a supplementary
question. When you say, knows of the activity
I think that we can presume that the customer
for this particular enterprise knows something
of the operation or is concerned about the
operation.
Is that what you mean by knows the
operation?
#99:
No.
No.
I don't.
That's not what I mean.
#00:
Oh.
Can you be more precise about what you
mean?
#99:
Yeah.
I mean
.
. I have to play the double-
edge sword again. And when I mean double-edge
sword, I mean there seems.
there is someone
in there . . . all right.
let me
rephrase that in my thoughts and I have to give
that correctly to you.
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Its only an example and its the only way I can
give it to you because I'm not. . . I'll give
it as an example.
Let's say that I am a customer.
I am a customer. That as a customer I also have
a contract from somebody, you know.
And that I'm
playing the contract as a role so that somebody
else would not know what's going on.
I'm not
referring to what we're doing here, I'm merely
referring that this way - there is something here
where someone within our government, and I am not
saying just the customer knows.
#00:
I. . . I'm a little confused, #99.
I didn't
follow your example very adequately enough.
#99:
All right.
Let me. . Let me put it this way.
And this is only an example to give you. . so
that we understand our own jargon.
Let us say
that the Pentagon got someone to do some work.
Here they hired this room or rooms.
The work
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is going on for the Pentagon, but the people
in the room, you know.
.
there's nothing. .
they're going on their business in what they're
getting. Its for their work. They're doing
their work, but its really somebody reporting
to the Pentagon.
But the others don't know.
#00:
All right.
#99:
Do you follow what I'm saying?
#6.5:
Are you saying that they wouldn't know that
they are working for the government?
#99:
For the government or. . . I'm not saying that
nobody knows. I'm merely saying that the
implication of the information would go to the
government.
#00:
Okay .
#99:
All right.
Do you follow what I'm trying to
say.
That's only an example.
#00:
Okay, but is that. . is an example rather
precise in the sense that you said someone
in the government knows that there is a contract-
ing officer in the Pentagon, who monitors what
goes on in the office.
Is that what you mean by
someone in the government knows?
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#99:
I will have to return that because I've gotta
go back to some information that's being fed
to me.
#00:
Yeah.
I thought that we had discussed,
yesterday, that the . . that this firm. . or
what goes on in the room was in fact sponsored
by the government.
Do you recall that?
#99:
I don't recall it.
#00:
Yeah.
#99:
You know. . you
. .
#00:
You know, this ground sounds familiar so I'm
not sure that we're coming up with anything
new which is all right.
#99:
No.
I'm merely.
I'm merely reputting the
input of what I'm trying to restate whatever
was said yesterday.
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#00:
Well okay, but let's don't worry about what
was said yesterday.
#99:
No no no. I'm not.
I'm just saying that I
don't remember what I said yesterday and I'm
just going back over some of the things.
#00:
Well, let me make a . . put it in a straight-
forward question.
Is the activity in room, in
this suite, government related in that they are
a contractor that does work for the government?
They may do work for other
activities,
commercial work, but do they do work for the
government?
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#99:
The answer is yes.
And I don't know in what
way.
#00:
Well, you know, if we don't. . . if it seems
to be a unexceptional yes, this. . well yes,
that's what they do. . . then of course some
one in the government would know. . would know
what goes on.
#99:
Its. . Its more deep than that, #00.
Its more
deep.
It is very. .
.
It is very well.
I'm not confused, its just that I want.
.
.
because you need precision and I want to be very
accurate in what we're doing, you know, in here.
There are . . . I keep seeing people in this
room - more than . . as I'm seeing it now, people
working.
There are things going on.
There are
again, papers there. There are all sorts of
things.
But that's only a front - you know,
partially a front.
But there is something much
deeper for a group of people in that room that
are working on something very secret, very
private, but there's a leakage on that thing
and that's what's troubling me.
#00:
Okay, well to summarize it and put it in other
words ~ see if this is acceptable, #99. That
there is a contract that is real, that has some
significance, that employs the efforts of many
or perhaps most of the other people in this
suite. But, either within that contract or
a separate. . undertaking is underway, that is
more vital to the government, if not to the
company of the people working in there.
And
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it is not generally known to all of the employees
this. And you have used the term, that the
normal operating business or the contract that
they are working on is . . provides some sort
of cover for the more important, more secretive
undertaking.
Now is that a reasonable summation v
of what you had in mind?
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#99:
Yes, that would be an explanation of what
I'm saying.
#00:
Okay.
Can we put a subject matter to either
of these endeavors? Either the one that
they nominally work on or the one for which
that is provide some cover.
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#99:
All I can say that the information in which
they put some cover
.
is
.
.
how
would I put it
.
.
.
if this does
not follow the regulaties I want to be as
specifically as its clear into my mind.
Again, I repeat.
Information is passed
into this office .. or this suite which is
very high or very, very important. Extremely
important.
And the injection, again, that
some of this information that's very important
is also leaked out and its coming back over
and over again.
Whether the customer knows
or whatever it is, its still coming back.
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#00:
Okay. That's a good link.
To follow that,
you're saying that information comes in.
That they're going to use in their analysis
or some, whatever processing they do?
#99:
No.
Its . . analysis, but something that
is transferrable.
#00:
Okay.
Well, let's go into the process of
the . . the people who work there, and let's
call them analysts. And just use that
generally, whatever. . you know, whatever
analytical work it is.
They need something
to work on, they need something to read or
to analyze or to massage.
That information
comes in.
Was that the. . . you said the
information comes in is very high; is that -
did you mean high in the sense of a security
classification, or high in what sense #99?
#99:
I'd say high in security.
#00:
Okay .
Okay.
So classified information and
reasonably highly classified information comes
in.
#99:
Right.
Uh huh.
I have to preface that when
you say high, you know, classified information
the answer is yes.
I have. .
let me give you
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Again,
an image comes to my mind but it may not
be related to (not audible).
#00:
All right.
Let's just have it as it comes
in #99.
#99:
As it comes in.
Let's say that you were
doing a .
. you were gonna send a rocket
to the sky and its something new. And lets
say that these people were working on some
design on this rocket. You know, something
to this effect - the design that they're
going to put in together.
#00:
Uh huh
#99:
And. . . this little piece or whatever it
is, all right that's now, that I would
consider, you know, highly secretive or
highly.
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#00:
Um hm.
#99:
The rest isn't.
#00:
Okay.
An important component part - a vital
part.
#99:
A component part of something.
Whether its
on a design I'm not sure or whether its a
part itself or
that's only as an example.
#00:
Um hm.
#99:
Something is coming in which .
no one. .
If I was gonna put this here, all right, here
I am.
You'd look at an eraser, but let's say
that I could put something in this eraser
that makes it highly valuable. And, I would.
you'd pass me the eraser, I would not know the
difference.
Do you follow what I'm trying to
say?
.
#00:
Only generally #99.
#99:
Yeah.
And you know. . in other words, something
is going on which is being unaware by only a
certain number of people and it seems very
small.
Very small (not audible).
#00;
Okay, but that. .
is that supposed to go on?
You see, we have
.
.
I have a problem with
two concepts now.
I understand what you're
Saying.
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#99:
If this is supposed to go on, the answer
is no.
#00:
Okay.
Okay.
But I .
up to this.
up until that statement, I had the feeling
that you were telling us that the normal
operation of the office covered a legitimate
additional other undertaking. Are you
suggesting now that the other undertaking,
the more secretive undertaking, is not
supposed to go on.
#99:
Oh, its my wrong.
Its my wrong.
Its my
wrong interpretation.
I'm merely saying
that some of the things within this under-
taking is not supposed to go on.
#00:
Okay.
#99:
All right?
#00:
Okay, so we. . we've established
(not audible).
#99:
Whatever the undertaking is there which very
few people know on what is being worked in
there. .
#00:
Is legitimate.
#99;
Is legitimate. v
#00:
Okay, but within that operation, what? '
#99:
Something is illegitimate.'
#00:
Okay, something is going on within the
.
okay.
#99:
But remember that the people
#00:
Then that's where the number
.
#99:
comes in.
#00:
And that is the area of the leakage also.
#99:
And it appears to me
..
#00:
I got just a. . a look from you.
Is that
the area where the leakage takes place?
#99:
Yes.
Yes. And what appears to me is room.
It appears as a room
All right.
Appears
as a room and I have to say that.
Room.
The
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keeps coming back and that's
what I'm not
.
See, I don't know whether
its a room that they have within
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because yesterday I drew a sketch that seemed
to be limited.
And that, last night, in my
sleep, woke up from my sleep a couple of times
and everything, that room was too limited for
what when I was relaxed.
In other words, it
looked much longer, maybe exaggerated it longer,
but it was much bigger. . than what I had seen.
Now. . and there appears and I have to say this,
appears because psychically I am not sure.
But
there may be - he gave me room
but it could
be that there is a series of doors opening
within that compound off that room, those
rooms.
#00:
Yeah, that's very commonplace #99. Where you
have an entrance that has a number for mailing
purposes, for all sorts of practical purposes,
but its. . . that's why a suggested going to
the concept of a suite. The entrance to suite
SG1A
is simply that. It is a controlled entrance.
And once you get in there, there are hallways
that go to separate other rooms, to .
you know, the normal variety of facilities that
you could expect to find. . to support the
number of people that are in there.
And .
#99:
You know, I'm getting psychically, to a very
crucial point here. . as you're talking #00.
#00:
Go ahead #99.
#99:
Okay.
Keep going.
#00:
Well, okay, just let that come forward, but
what I want you to do is what was suggested
off tape that let's, let's try and overview.
Let's try a fly in and I want you to . . to
go into an #99 Two state rather than to try
to do this telepathically.
And, a strip off
SG1A
the layers of the building and simply focus
on
from a vantage point of above and we'll
call it Suite
And let's see if we can't
SG1A
get another sketch.
Let's try to get another
verbal description of it and try to get
another sketch of this complex.
#99:
All right.
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And, if you can,
identify the location of
o.f
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#99:
All right, I have stripped.
.
and
the whole thing and I'm looking down. First
of all, let me . .
. there's no roof over
this
this room now.
And all I see is
the back wall and the front as if you were
going in. I have to ex.
I see it, at one
side of the building.
It is long.
PAUSE
I'm looking down and again, I have to repeat,
- please correct me if I'm wrong - there
seemed to be
. in there what appears and
all I can say -- I'm looking down on it, it
appears there are divisions or rooms.
#00:
All right.
#99:
That is strong - that there are divisions
or rooms. . or something to this effect here.
That it is not
I am not walking into a
big room where there are . . you know, here I. .
there's a whole big room and there's a lot of
people all around.
There are separations or
divisions.
#00:
All right.
We accept that.
#99:
Okay.
#00:
Let me
Let me ask a question #99.
Program yourself, make sure we are dealing
with the room the Suite
as it looks today.
#99:
This is what I'm looking at today.
#00:
Okay.
#99:
The only thing that I cannot place for you
where I am from on top is what are those
divisions. I have to put in equasion that
they are to me from where I stand and when
I stood. . as rooms or divisions.
#00:
Okay,
They could be cubicles without going
all the way to the ceiling, the divisions.
but they may
#99:
But they do not employ the whole room.
#00:
Okay .
Now I want you to be able, when you
.
after this to draw us another sketch #99
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#00:
In Suite
what else do you see beside a
division of separate rooms or cubicles in
that suite?
What else is pronounced?
#99:
One thing is pronounced again.
I have to .
which really comes back to me.
.
is one
room
that's very closed.
#00:
All right a closed room.
#99:
A closed room.
Or a closed . . . I have to
say closed room.
'Cause I keep seeing .
.
.
what appears to be a door with a window or a
door . . you know, but I cannot see through
the window or something to this effect where
I would go into an area which was a room.
SG1A
#00:
All right.
This is one of the rooms inside
of Suite
that you call closed.
Closed
means what in significance.
#99:
Its separated from everything else into the
room.
#00;
All right.
#99:
That's what I'm trying to say.
#00:
Is there a conferencing facility in there?
A conference room.
#99:
Its not a conference room, but again, adjacent
to it seems to be - I have to say seemed to be -
what appears to me to be a place where you would
meet, which I would call a conference room.
SG1A
#00;
All right, in Suite
what else do you see?
PAUSE
#99:
Looking at here and now, objects - I see
something again :
opened.
. . well,
its like a drawing, I guess you would call
/
a drawing table or something.
At least I see
one.
If you're asking me . .
#00:
All right.
A drafting table.
#99:
A drafting table. This is what I see.
What
its use, I don't know, this is what I'm
seeing.
I see a man.
.
sitting on a
.
something like a stool.
#00:
All right.
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#99:
All right.
#00:
Are there any office machines that are
pronounced?
#99:
Again, those squares keep coming in.
#00:
Okay.
#99:
And I don't. . you know, that looks like
.
#00:
TV screens?
#99:
Like TV screens. v
#00:
All right.
#99:
I can't tell you how many but I'm saying
this.
I see.
I will put at this point
that that is
if you're asking me for
something in there, that is one of the things.
#00:
Okay .
And there are more than one of these
squares? Let's get a general number. Is
there a half dozen of these squares and are
they located together or are they separated
or .
#99:
No.
They're separated because I keep seeing
again, people sitting.
. at a desk and there
is a square there.
#00:
Um hm. Okay.
Can you see someone functioning
with this, this unit?
What do they do?
Is
there a keyboard in front of it?
#99:
Yes there's a keyboard.
It looks, to me, as
1
this would appear to be part of a general work
that they were doing.
Let me.
.
#00:
Let me give you something to think about #99
and respond. What you've described you know
it could. . could be a number of things.
It
could be a desk terminal computer terminal. It
could also be a word processing machine for
support personnel to type and make corrections
and to edit on a (not audible) screen. Or it
could be both of these. It could be a TV
monitoring device. It could be a TV set.
#99:
No.
Its not a TV set.
That's for sure.
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The reason is, that again, I see numbers but /
I cannot see writing.
Now, that might be a
shortcoming on my part.
#00:
Um hm.
You're looking at the screens.
#99:
I'm looking at the screen.
#00:
Okay, you shift the perspective and I want
you to say down because .
#99:
I'm seeing this, now remember, I'm. . I'm. .
.
over here on the top looking down.
I'm not
into the room, I'm looking down.
#00:
Okay, well stay there then and tell me about
what other machinery, if any, you see besides
these squares, tv like things.
#99:
I'm going to eliminate .
. for you the
general things that could be . . because like
typewriters
#00:
Yeah.
Not interested in those.
#99:
I'm only picking out the . . what I'm seeing.
I am still troubled by this high thing that
I'm seeing against the wall.
#00:
Okay, is that . . let me get an orientation
to help me. As you hover over this from your
perspective, the suite may be irregularly
shaped, that is there may be .
.
it may not
be a perfect square or perfect rectangle, but
is it more rectangular in shape or more square
in shape if you generalized the edges? Is it
longer. .
#99:
Longer than small.
#00:
Okay, so it is more of a rectangle than a square.
#99:
Yeah.
As I said in the beginning, it is.
.
I am not walking in a cubicle this big or a
room this big.
I am walking in something
much longer which I did not really focus in
yesterday because I was trying to get .
apparently trying to see an area more than the
length than when I was jumping. . it was from
one area to another.
#00:
All right.
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#99:
Do you have any question #6.5? Please ask
them as we go along. . because it becomes
very . . I'm at a crucial point here and
putting, as you're asking me, time wise
and your questions would be extremely
important if there's something that you
listened over the tape you know that will
get me into the things that you want.
#6.5:
Okay. Again, I'm interested in pursuing the
same thing that #00 was talking about.
That
piece of equipment that you're seeing as high.
Okay. I'd like to get more details on that
if you can.
Maybe you'll have to move yourself
closer.
#00:
Yeah.
Shift yourself as necessary #99, to give
a . .
a detailed description as you go.
#99:
Yeah.
Would you just turn this off for one
second because when I shift, I'd like to
I
want to be . . We're getting away from the
scene but I. . Its just
that I'm very
nervous, more than nervous and more than
.
.
its a negative thing and when I . .
. had the
picture that was one of the things. . that was
the first thing and that first impression got
me that it was something real bad. All right.
But within the compound, the whole thing, the
operation, it does not look - but I could not
get away.
1
#00:
Let me ask you a question about that #99.
And
we're referring to . . because of a pause in the
tape, to a feeling an overall feeling of what
you had previously reported was a heavy high
tension feeling. That. . and earlier yesterday
you had said that .
as if they were almost
afraid to breathe.
You. . .
today you get
that feeling again.
#99:
Again.
Very strongly.
#00:
All right.
#99:
But again, added this dimension that its
negative for me.
#00:
Okay, is this coming from
. . Is it possible
that this is essentially one, that you're
picking this up from one person.
Not from
everybody, or is this a collective
.
you
know, what's the source?
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#99:
The source is .
The source is the
atmosphere that I'm picking from Room
#00:
Okay, but, you know, we accept this #99 but
is . . is there one malfactor in the room
who is essentially the cause of this?
#99:
I have to say. . . if you're saying one, I
have to say more than one.
#00:
All right.
#99:
But I'm not saying all of them.
#00:
Okay.
Well is it the cadre of people who are
working on this smaller project?
#99:
No.
Its something dealing with . . a leakage
of some information.
Let me put it this way.
This seems to be the overtone message that's
coming that I have to know what that is.
I
don't know what you're looking for.
As such.
But the overtone message is coming to me is
some information that is very valuable, that
is very extremely valuable, from the project
that is being worked here, is being leaked out.
#00:
Well let me make a suggestion #99 and evaluate
this.
Understandably there is a person on site
who is. . who is controlling or is directing or
at least knows about the leakage and he or she
is highly apprehensive about it, that that they
or he will be or she will be discovered.
And
this is the negative feeling that you are pick-
ing up.
I mean thatperson is under great tension
on a
. on a minute-by-minute basis.
that
they will lose everything if its discovered.
Is that the source of the tension? A possible
source .
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#99:
My hesitation is not because the answer is
not yes. But you're speaking of one person
and in my psychic mind I see more than one
person.
#00:
All right. We can accept that.
#99:
Would you accept. . more, you know.
#00:
Sure.
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#99:
I must return and I don't know whether I
mentioned - a woman keeps coming back to
me.
#00:
Um hm.
You mentioned two women yesterday.
#99:
No.
This is a special
Something.
.
.
PAUSE
#00:
Well tell us more about this special woman.
Is she an employee?
Is she in the room right
now?
In the suite now?
#99:
She's in the room right now.
#00:
Okay.
But does she regularly work there?
Does
She work there eight hours a day? Or is she a
visitor?
#99:
All of a sudden
this woman appears in this
room, you know.
But,
as she appears
the room.
.
the number
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SG1
G1
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#00:
I'd like to have you try something if you can
do this.
(Not audible) take that woman out of
the . . of the suite and tell me what happens
to the atmosphere. . the level of tension or
what.
Does it change when she is not there?
#99:
It is decreased because one other person, all
right, . . is calmer.
#00:
Well, let's take
#99:
If you're asking me, Does the atmosphere
decrease, I have to answer yes.
#00:
Okay .
But let's look for the common, more
commonplace solution to this. That it really
is . . it may involve security to some degree
but in fact, let me suggest that it is a matter
of personality. That when this woman comes inv
there is a feeling of antagonism based on
personality rather than a security leak or
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anything like that.
#99:
No. /
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You don't like that.
That as a hyposis.
#99:
No.
No.
#00:
Okay.
Well, the person
.
the person.
.
let's try to identify the person besides the
woman who comes in and brings another level
of attention and is associated with
and
is associated with the leak. Is that other
is the person, the other person or persons
male or female?
SG1
A
#99:
The other one is a male. v
#00:
Okay. . Are. . Can you narrow it down to two?
The leak is associated with a woman who comes
in on occasion and a man. Is there any other
·
. is there a third or fourth party to the leak?
#99:
At this point, I have to say this is all that
comes to my mind.
SG1A
#00:
All right.
The man,
is he . . does he spend
his working day in
1
#99:
Yes.
Yes. /
#00:
Okay.
SG1A
#99:
But again you're saying
and the number
SG1
A
#00:
All right.
SG1A
#99:
I'm making these #6.5 because I'm gonna have
to place what this
whether this room
is there or is it in another place - I'm being
logical here - I mean
If this
is there,
SG1
A
SG1A
SG1A
#00:
Okay. Well, let me ask the question.
How do
you feel?
Is
the number of a compartment
or of another room?
Or let put it this way,
is
internal in
Or is it not, is
it out of that building completely?
A
#99:
This is what I don't know right now.
And I'll
have the answer for you.
#00:
Okay. Okay.
I
want to shift gears slightly.
#99:
Lets go back to .
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#00:
Lets go back to that machinery and position
yourself anywhere you want - inside the
machinery, outside, facing it, but in such
a position as to give us whatever level details
you can concerning it.
SG1A
#99:
I'm going to give it to you starting out from
the top as I strip
everything.
I see it
. . lets say that I'm here walking, lets say
that I'm here - and I'm giving you now - I'm
going into room
And I'm over the top.
And the equipment is to my left: And it appears
that I am at the end or I cannot go any further
than this equipment.
#00:
All right.
Its against a wall, is that a fair
.
. ?
#99:
I would assume its against a wall, but I do not
see the wall.
#00:
Because why? Its covered by the equipment?
#99:
Because the equipment seems to be extremely /
high to me.
#00:
Okay.
#99:
Now, again, I'm going to get off the psychic.
Sometimes my psychic may exaggerate the length
of the equipment and I have to make that known.
#00:
Okay, but . . well we can clear that up very
quickly.
. Look at the floor and look at the
ceiling - does the equipment go from the floor
nearly to the ceiling?
#99:
The answer is . . as I'm seeing it, the answer /
seems to be yes.
#00:
So it is
#99:
High.
#00:
.
assuming a nominal 8 foot ceiling, the
equipment is, you know, approaches the ceiling.
#99:
It is not. . Let me put it this way, its not
the height of a cabinet file, its much higher
and much broader. Now, let me go back. And
its wide.
#00:
Okay.
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#99:
But its big.
#00:
Okay. Are theremodules, that is, is it solid
or do you see that in fact there are. . there
are a number of the same type of
.
of. . of
machinery that is you can see where they've been
stacked next to each other - lined up next to
each other.
That's all one big thing?
#99;
Its all one big thing. /
#00:
Okay.
I
. I'm gonna need some more details.
#99:
This is all (not audible) and I keep seeing
needles.
Circles, needles, keep seeing something
that your. .
. knobs.
.
#00:
Knobs, okay what else besides knobs?
#99:
And then as I'm approaching towards that there
seems to be like .
PAUSE
That's this part of it and this part over here
is a little different.
I don't see any knobs
or anything else that's solid.
#00:
Um hm.
#99:
And down
As if something was coming out
on paper.
#00:
All right.
#99:
Now, in my minds eye, I'm also seeing somebody
operate a type.
#00:
A keyboard of some sort.
#99:
A keyboard.
But I cannot put it that the key-
board is on this.
#00:
All right.
#99:
It seemed to be away from it.
But I don't know
where.
#00:
All right, #99, I want you to follow some wires.
I'm assuming that the machinery is powered by
electricity. Can you tell us . . you know, is
the machine plugged into an electrical outlet
somewhere? Can you see those wires?
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#99:
Hold it!
Hold it!
Something.
The information
that comes from there does not come from the
room itself - its fed in.
PAUSE
#00:
Something is fed into the machine.
#99:
Fed in!
#00:
Okay.
But are you cancelling that something /
comes out of the machine also.
#99:
No. No. No.
That's not what I'm saying./
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#00:
Let me try to help you #99.
Is the machine
receiving information as from an antenna.
You
know as a radio receiver would receive informa-
tion.
#99:
No. Somebody.
The only way I can explain it
to you is .
what appears to me. Lets say
that here I am
No the example is not right.
PAUSE
All right.
Lets say I was working on. . like
I've worked on Wall Street.
#00:
All right.
#99:
And suddenly over my .
information is being
fed without my being .
having to send
information out. It does not mean that information
cannot be sent out , of that room. But I'm merely
saying that the way I'm seeing it in this moment
of time is that information is coming in. Now,
this . . I don't know. . its part of their work.
The information is coming in. I'm not saying
that its .
#00:
Okay.
#99:
You know, but it appears part of the work.
That's
what I'm trying to say.
#00:
Yeah but that. . you know, we've .
That is
reasonably commonplace, you know.
Information
is coming in. What's the signif.
.
you know
why are you making a point of this? What's
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#99:
The significance of this is that some of the /
information in here is a code. Or something.
#00:
Is the .
. is the. . apparatus is the machine
associated with code or incription or decription.
Is that the function of the machine?
#99:
No, its not the. . its not the. . the primary
function its feeding these people information.
Now within this information - remember yesterday
I said that I was trying to find out how some-
thing was getting in and out -
#00;
Uh huh
#99:
It appears to me now, and I'm not certain, all
right, it only appears because of the psychic
impression that I have to say this, I'm making
conclusions.
That some messages have to come
in on that.
Psychically !
#00:
Okay. Well, lets.
I'm still a little
confused.
We're talking about the function
of the machine.
#99:
We're talking about the function of the machine.
I . . What I am seeing is something coming out
of this machine which does not come directly
from the room.
Again,
comes in.
SG1
#00:
Okay.
Well, lets.
I'll have to leave that.
A
#99:
I. . . merely. . I'm just giving you as it comes
in to me.
#00:
Okay. #6.5 do you have any questions in that
area.
#6.5:
Mm mm.
#00:
I frankly am in a state of slight confusion
as to the role of the machine.
#6.5:
So am I. Why don't you just leave it.
Listen,
go from that wall all the way across, okay, like
from here to there.
#99:
From here to there. Okay.
#6.5:
And go to ... the other wall.
What is there?
#99:
What I'm seeing against the other wall is
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#99:
I
got to separate myself from the other wall.
PAUSE
All right.
I'm over this wall. . .
#00:
Now this is the wall opposite the machine
banks.
PAUSE
#99 there's a possibility that there's more
than one wall op.
. that is that
. I'll
put it in a question.
Is there a wall rather
immediately in front of the machine banks?
And then, you know, which then there's a door-
way you can go through and you . .
and.
.
I'm not sure which wall you want him to go to.
#99:
He wants. . He wants me to go to the end of
the room.
#6.5:
The end of the room.
#00:
Of the suite, okay.
SG1A
#6.5:
SG1A
SG1A
#99:
Yeah
#00:
Okay.
#99:
The end of that
is where I see this
separate office which is closed, you know, an
office closed, or a cubicle or some. . where
you would go in.
#00:
And who's office
. . or what is the purpose
of that?
PAUSE
#99:
At this point no answer comes.
#00:
Um hm.
#99:
I do know - hold it - I do know that it is /
an important male person.
#00:
Um hm.
#99:
You're asking me who, I don't know who.
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#99:
Adjacent to it is also another room.
#00:
Well, is it important in the sense of a
#99:
Its important. . Its important in the sense
that it appears to me that its sound proofv
or something because I cannot hear what is
going on and is being said in that room.
#00:
Okay. So there. . apparently there's some
more attention to security there, but I'm
after the importance of the male person in
there.
Is he important?
#99:
The importance is that he is in control of
the whole
#00:
You're saying that he's the manager of the {
office or manager of. .
#99:
Yes.
Yes.
#00:
. of the operation.
.
#99:
Okay, yeah of the operation.
This is what
I'm getting.
#00:
Okay.
#6.5:
Okay, and this other area that's sound proof
that's adjacent to his office or part of his
office?
#99:
Its part of his office.
It is. . I would
have to say more like, its his office.
#6.5:
Yeah. Lets explore that area and tell me
what's in that area, in his office.
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#99:
Cut for a minute, I've got to go to the
bathroom.
PAUSE
#00:
Time out.
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#99:
Yeah.
What came to me. . . this sound proof
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is that certain plans for certain designs of
certain things which I have not yet put my
finger on, is talked about.
#00:
Okay.
#99:
All right.
More than that the room does not
appear as an office to me.
Its
. very
.
- how would I put it - comfortable.
Its
.
I'm now walking into a man sitting at a desk
with a chair behind it. And you know I'm
sitting down and he's asking me questions./
I feel more comfortable than that in this
sound proof room.
#00:
Okay.
#99:
All right.
He does have a monitor in the
room.
But .
.
what I'm trying to .
.
What
I'm looking at into the room is
·
his operational
. his operational
work.
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The designs that are. . . the work that's
coming to me as I'm observing in the room,
they are not designing or working on a project.
PAUSE
They are not working on a project that is
something that is completed like a tank!
Completion work of a tank. Or something.
not like that. They're working on something
which is part of a very advanced
war.
war. . I would say military more than
war.
design of something that is military
and that is
.
. not big. By that I mean its
.
not
I'm not building a tank; I'm not
building a gun or something like that.
I'm
Its
building something that goes with something
else.
That's what the
the work is being
done.
If you follow that, you know what I'm
trying to say now.
#00:
Well, yeah I follow that and lets try to build
on that a little bit.
Its small and its a
component that goes with something else. What
is . . When you put them together, what is the
function? Is it in . . involved in what?
Is
it a weapon or is it not a weapon?
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It is a weapon, or it can be used as a weapon.
#00:
Well, all right.
Let me give you another
alternative.
Is it involved in communications?
#99:
If you are asking me.
#00:
I'm sort of testing
#99:
No. no. no.
I mean what do you mean by
communications?
#00:
Well, I mean is it a . . part of a. . of a
piece of equipment by which information is
sent or received?
#99:
No.
No.
#00:
Its not communication equipment?
#99:
No.
No.
#00:
You're satisfied that it is part of a weapon
system.
#99:
Its part . . . I'm saying that its part of a
weapon system meaning that I keep seeing water.
that I don't understand whether its only one
part of this - I keep seeing water.
And
I keep seeing that this would be tested in
something that has to be in water. v
#00:
It is tested in something that has to be in
water.
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#99:
Or it goes by . . yeah, I'm gonna state it the
same way, tested in something with water.
It is not something that is already marketed.
#00:
Okay .
Is what they're working on an improve-
ment of something like it that already exists
or is it a new component of a weapon system or
a weapon system?
#99:
I would have to say its an extension and if
you want to use improve as an extension I will
accept that.
#00:
Well, okay, you don't
.
.
I. . You know, I
.
I
was just trying to get
.
.
#99:
No.
No.
I understand.
#00:
.
give you food to
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#99;
These are things - I've come from the
bathroom and I'm just giving you them as
.
. you know, as they're coming out.
#00:
Ha ha. Okay.
I think we better move our
working place in there.
#99;
All right.
#6.5:
I once made a mistake like that.
I made
my briefing up in a bathroom and it went
over well so then everytime I have to give
a briefing, my folks tell me - Go to the
bathroom.
#00:
Okay, #99, this is .
#99:
Let me .
let me . . give you the word that
comes to me.
#00:
All right.
#99:
For whatever meaning it is, I don't know.
It
said submarine.
The word submarine.'
#00:
All right.
Okay .
#99:
But. . it does not . . the word submarine, I
don't know what it means now, and I want you
to realize that I don't know what it means.
#00:
All right.
I . . let me challenge that, #99,
because, you know, this is a tangent - appears
to be a tangent. Can you. . . are you. . the
word submarine comes in.
Is that the business
of this office, to be involved in submarines?
Or is there just some relationship with the
thing being developed in some means?
#99:
Its in some relationship developed with sub-
marines because I could not put a battle ship
in it.
#00:
Okay, you. . you've gone to Naval weapon
systems now.
#99:
But.
.
the. . I know I've gone to Naval
weapons.
.
#00:
Um hm.
Its all right with me.
If that's
what's coming in.
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No no no no.
All I'm saying is . . What I'm
saying . . water, I'm saying that its
.
we're talking about Nayal and I'm talking about,
you know, under the Naval would be a battleship,
but it has nothing to do with a battleship or
·
.
.
unless
.
I'm eliminating more than
putting.
#00:
Okay. Okay.
#99:
Because I'm trying to narrow down, in my mind,
what it meant that this dealt with water and its
not a battleship.
#00:
Okay, but lets .
Okay, make sure that these
are psychic inputs, #99, rather than logical
ones.
And
#99:
Let me tell you what logically. . not logically,
what psychically came to me.
#00:
All right.
#99:
And then we can work from there.
It is a
=.
component part of an extension of something
that deals with water.
In water.
Or with
water.
It is not
#00:
Now see, you shifted on us now.
Previously,
I understood you to say, it is a component
part of a weapon. .
#99:
Of a weapon.
#00:
Of a weapon system.
#99:
Yes a weapon system.
#00:
You're still staying with that.
#99:
Yes, I'm staying with that.
Because
I'm
visualizing something in my mind .
#00:
All right, now go ahead and say your statement.
#99:
All right.
And . . the water. . something about
water came in after that. And the word submarine.
Now, I have to say that submarine might be a
logical thing or it might be a psychic - I am
not sure.
And I want to clear that with you.
#00:
Okay. All right, well let me ask you, if the
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this component. . or part of the weapon
.
system, if the water relationship is . . is
exclusive - that it will only be used in
connection with water
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The answer is no.
#00:
Okay.
Otherwise it could be used on land
as well as on water.
Is the linkage withv
water
#99:
An important factor. v
#00:
An important factor.
#99:
Yeah.
#00:
But is it important in the sense that it is
associated with
with testing the system
rather than applying it when it gets issued
to the field or to the operating troops? Do
you have any feeling in this area?
#99:
Yeah.
Let me put it this way. One, it would
be used, what .
it appears psychically, it
says that it would be more, of more value in
water than in
in an airplane or on a
ship or something like this. See, I'm not
making.
I cannot
I'm seeing the part.
#00:
Um hm.
Well, describe the part.
#99:
All right.
Its a very small thing.
Maybe. .
this big.
#00:
All right.
You have your hands about a
·
. and a
and you've focused them as if
its a circle.
Is it a globe or is it a ball
sort of
#99:
Its. . Its.
Its
. Its long.
#00:
Well, lets just . . lets just ease the tension.
Sketch it for us please #99.
#99:
Well, I don't know if this is in its complete
form, but it appears
PAUSE
I cannot finish it here, I don't know why.
there appears to be
And
#00:
Now are you drawing this to scale; is this
the actual size of it?
#99:
Yeah.
Just about the actual size of it.
Yeah.
#00:
Okay.
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All right.
Its not big.
#00:
All right.
I don't know what we're going to
end up with.
#99:
Yeah.
Yeah. On the drawing board, it will
probably be something.
.
something as this.
#00:
Well, this is an 8 by 10 piece of paper.
you mean your drawing?
Do
#99:
My drawing here, all right, is just telling you
that its a minature or a small, its not as big
as this paper.
V
#00:
All right. So, it looks like something four
inches by two inches, something like that.
#99:
Something.
And there appears to be little dots.
And there seemed to be some kind of wire and
I'm slipping that into something.
#00:
Okay, are we .
I want to make sure that
you're not .
.
xraying this.
Are we. .
if
I picked it up and looked at it, is this what
I would see without taking it apart?
#99:
No.
No.
You may see the dots, but you would
not see the inside.
#00:
The wires.
#99:
The wires.
#00:
Okay, the wires are internal.
#99:
Internal.
This is . . The covering of this
is of a metal. . but its not a metal that I
would
its a special type of metal.
#00:
Okay, that will be. . . did you say that would
be slipped inside of something?
#99:
Slipped into something.
#00:
All right.
Is that an explosive in any
sense?
PAUSE
#99:
Would you rephrase the question?
May I rephrase
the question?
#00:
Um hm.
Yeah.
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#99:
If I were to rephrase the question:
Would
this add to the explosion of something that
went off, the answer would be yes.
#00:
Okay. But that .
Now let me ask questions
about your statement.
Is it
a fuse in
=
the sense that it initiates an explosion?
That it is a. . .
say that
a component
that senses a target and sends a signal to
the explosive device that now is the time to
detinate? Or does it have anything to do with
fusing?
#99:
I don't know #00.
It keeps coming back that
I see water and it deals with water.
#00:
Okay .
#99:
Let me
.
. go back on
.
. .
#00:
But that's. . I. . .
. . I .
. accept that
and lets just sort of set that aside as an
agreed . . it has something to do with water.
#99:
Yeah.
What I'm zeroing in right now - now I
have to make you understand that not everybody
in that office is aware of this.
#00:
All right.
#99:
I am picking this up from the office of the
man that we were talking about.
All right.
#00:
All right.
Okay.
We'll accept that.
#99:
Now, I don't
I neither believe. . that
its built there.
#00:
Well, then what do they do there? Are they
in .
. what phase of this development goes
on in that
. . at least in his office?
PAUSE
#99:
Maybe I should rephrase that.
.
the assembly
. the assembly of this - and I have some-
.
thing. . . Let me put it this way #00, I have
to say this, psychically again, again. I am.
I have a psychic feeling that this project of
this thing is not finished.
Do you follow what
I'm saying?
#00:
All right.
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That its put together, but its not finished
and what I'm picking up is how its going to
be used, in what way its going to be used.
I think that's what I'm ..
I feel strongly
not think, feel strongly, this is what.
what I'm seeing is a finished product.
#00:
Okay, that's important but lets shift back.
#99:
But I'd .
. I'd . . And what I'm seeing. . .
is that . . what is happening is that. . when
I say that its not built there, I'm merely
saying that the drawing is almost complete,
of being completed.
And I'm speaking about
here and now.
#00:
Okay, would it be fair #99, to say that they
are designing parts of this in that office?
#99:
I will accept that.
#00:
Okay.
#99:
But I will also accept. . . I have to add
something.
It appears to me. . . and when
appears I mean seeing psychically. . is there
appears to be at least one of these with this
man that I'm seeing in this room which we're
talking soundproof.
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#00:
Okay. A prototype or a hand made model or
something.
#99:
Its more than a handmade.
#00:
Well I say that versus production.
#99:
All right. Okay.
But this off. .
this is
It is a
Its something and its
for the use.
It could be used in other
ways also #00.
#00:
What other ways #99?
You mean in other . .
in
more than one weapon system? Or
*
#99:
In more than one weapon system.
#00:
Okay.
Or do you also mean that it could be
used in . . other than in a weapon system?
#99:
No.
It could be in . . I will have to put .
·
It can be used in a weapon system and it could
be used outside of a weapon system.
It does
not always mean that it is for the
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#00:
All right #99, we were - after a short pause
you were describing a device, a small device
and you sketched it. And, but you associated
this, with the office, the separate soundproof
office of the manager or person. Why did you
want to put it in there? I mean is this
information or the plans or parts of the drawing
not also known or shared with other people in
the office, or . . I mean this is the question.
All right, let me put it this way. Positively.
Is it the function of the office to work on
this project, parts of this project, the six
or seven people who are normally in the office?
PAUSE
#99:
I don't see six or seven people in this office.
#00:
I meant in the suite
SG1A
SG1A
#99:
#00:
Yeah.
#99:
I mean. . there are more than just half a dozen
people in the . . in the room.
#00:
All right, how many people are in suite
SG1
A
#99:
I don't know.
You know, Remember yesterday
I
said that these were a number of people
that I saw.
#00:
Uh huh.
#99:
But this is
PAUSE
I'm going to have to get back to the trend
of thought that this. . this office .
.
of
this thing.
#00:
Well, you know, basically, my question is,
have you come across in this device or this
component, is this typical of what goes on
in
that office?
I mean is that the function
of the office?
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To participate in the design or evaluation
or something.
#99:
The answer is yes. I'm gonna say that.
#00:
All right, can you give me an example.
I
mean what else do they work on? You talked
about a component of a . . of a weapon system.
#99:
Well whatever the . . to me .
.
. it appears
as a weapon or could be used as a weapon.
#00:
Okay. All right.
But .
its a . . I. . I'm
.
. speaking without knowing, but that's a big
office and there are a lot of people there.
Surely there's more than one project. Can you
identify any other project?
#99;
Oh.
PAUSE
This one is the strongest,
But I'll have to
come back to that question #00.
#00:
All right.
#99:
Okay.
I know that there are some other things
going on in the office and that there are other
projects going on and that there's not only
one project going on.
#00:
Okay, well can we be specific about that.
Can
we
.
. With those feelings and with that
knowledge then, what is the function of that
office?
I mean, what is the business that they're
in?
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#99:
Why don't you . . Do you want to stop that
for a minute and let me go back into the office.
It may take a couple of minutes.
If you want to,
but if you want to stay here.
#00:
Well, let's let it roll and because . . and take
your time so we don't have . . miss anything.
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I can say that there are different projects
that have been assigned into this office to
work on in which they are . . . of variable
degrees. By that I mean, that I'm not
·
I can see maybe two or three persons working
on one project. Another two or three may be
working on another. In other words, there are
various . . Do you following what I'm trying to
say?
#00:
Yes, I understand this.
#99:
All right. And that they are assigned certain
projects that they work with and some of these
be
the work, the basic leg work, the design,
the things that they work with is being done
there.
and carried.
#00:
Okay, you said design.
Is that
.
could we
say that's the function of the .
one of the
functions of this office or the main function
is to design things or .
.
#99:
More than design.
. Yes, to design or put
.
by design I mean put together.
. certain
1
.
solid objects - that is to be used.
The design.
#00:
Okay, now that's more than design.
When you
say put together, do you mean put together in
a physical sense?
#99:
No. No no no no.
#00:
The parts come in and they
.
#99:
No no no. I'm merely saying that they're
drawing them, you know,
#00:
Okay.
#99:
Its for their work and then would be put
together from there. I'm not saying, #00,
psychically, that they could not be putting
one part together there .
. but they're
not manufacturing it.
#00:
Well, no, okay, the point I'm trying to
make is if there, . . if we're going to be
if we're going to categorize it, and that's
either an assembly plant, manufacturing plant,
or its not.
#99:
Its not . . I do not see it as an assembly
plant where you . . you know, where every
part is put in there and everything.
The
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goes out of there.
#00:
In other words, what you're . . what you
have said you're not discounting that. .
on occasion at least some parts will come
in
#99:
Oh. . I'm not discounting that whatsoever.
#00:
Well, can you be positive about it?
#99:
I. . I'm positive.
#00:
They may do some
#99:
The main reason I'm seeing this object,
logically, I'm assuming both logically and
psychically, that there are some parts
a (not audible) .
#00:
Okay. That particular object you're talking
about you say is .
. exists in a tangible
form right now in the office. Is that what
you're saying?
#99:
I'm saying that . . (a) that something like
this - I see something like this in the office.
#00:
Okay. Okay. As well as the design for
#99:
As the design. Yeah.
#00:
Well does that explain the drafting board,
and the paper and the things that you described
earlier that .
that. . . I mean that.
Well, let me ask - what type of people work
there? Are these
. . you know, can you give
a discipline? You know, get in the mind of
one or two of these people and tell me - what
are they? Are they engineers? Are they
physicists? Are they chemists? Are they what?
And if there is more than
I mean if there
is a dominant discipline, what is that dis-
cipline? Are more of them physicists than
anything else? Are more of them mechanical
engineers than anything else?
Let's try to
you know get a . . some labels on these people.
#99:
I have to . . I'm gonna. . . The general
opinion . . the general psychic opinion,
psychic opinion, psychic impression is
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that its not one discipline.
That they need
to pool together different
. . people to work
on this.
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#00:
Okay.
Different disciplines are represented.
#99:
Represented.
#00:
But is there a you know, quickly. . say. . make
a. . hell, a canvas of them. Are there more
chemists than any other?
Are there more engineers?
#99:
No.
I do not . . I don't see chemists.
#00:
Yeah.
Okay.
#99:
I don't see chemists.
I
would say engineering
and physicists.
#00:
Okay, is
#99:
Engineering, physicists. .
but someone else.
#00:
All right, are there any esoteric - that would
be a good clue. You know, that would be an
important hit.
#99:
What do you mean by esoteric?
#00:
Well, something that is a unique discipline.
#99:
The answer is yes, but I don't know what it
is.
#00:
Okay.
You don't know what that discipline is.
#99:
Yes.
#00:
Okay, keep that in back there, if it comes to
you, well let us know.
#99:
But see. .
#00:
But you see that would be an anchor.
That
would say, you know, if the . . if there is
a
·
.
a. . a. , specialist in plasma or
something that is
#99:
If you're asking me Do I see a specialist or
something really minutely specialized person,
or persons.
#00:
Uh huh.
#99:
Very specialized in something that . .
you
need that person. . the answer is yes.
#00:
Um hm. Okay.
And that's fine and I
. .
whenever it can come out I'd like to know
what that person's discipline is,
What
his specialty is
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#00:
Can we get a gender on that person - is it
a male or a female?
#99:
I have a male.
#00:
Okay, And give me some sort of description
of him if you can.
PAUSE
#00:
Is he in the office right now, today?
PAUSE
#99:
I'll come back to that. . there's something .
And I'll have to explain why. Its a male.
I cannot give you .
. but certainly. . he
looks young, not old but something on the
other side keeps. . By old, I mean he's older
than he looks. Do you follow what I'm trying
to say?
#00:
Okay. He's an older man with a youthful
appearance.
#99:
Well, this is what appears to me because age
is very hard for me to put into . . into
context. And he's not oversized. He's a
very well trim person.
#00:
All right.
Where did he go to school #99,
on the East Coast or on the West Coast?
Or Mid-West?
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And let's make that his graduate school.
He
may have gone to more than one school.
Where
did he get his terminal degree?
PAUSE
Let me ask a new one.
Did he get his terminal
degree in the United States?
Or was it outside
of the United States?
PAUSE
#99:
I'm gonna have to say. . . When you say
terminal his last degree, he may have a
Masters, PhD and so forth, I would put the
V
terminal degree in the United States and it
looks like on the East Coast more than the
West Coast.
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#00:
Okay. All right.
Again, if you get an
impression of one school over another,
why I would be interested in that if it
comes out.
#99:
The big thing that . . all right.
.
Again, I have eliminated New York and I've
eliminated .
I have to give you New
England area.
#00:
Okay.
#99:
And I would place it .
.
I would place that
Massachusetts.
At least as it stands now.
#00:
Okay.
Again, this is. . this is important
#99, what we're doing now. . because it .
·
it will be confidence builders with potential
customers. . to show the type of areas in
which we can work.
#99:
Okay.
I'm a little puzzled
.
We're going to go back to your question. I'm
a little puzzled about whether I am describing
the airtight room, the .
.
. you know, the
soundproof room as being the customer you're
talking about. But I'm gonna leave it there.
#00:
Okay. You know, I don't. . . I don't think
that I want to pursue any questions in that
area, but
unless you can clarify and
tell us why you're puzzled about it. You know,
but, you mean you're doubting that in fact this
is the customer that
#99:
I'm not doubting.
I'm merely saying that
.
PAUSE
I'm merely saying that the customer
Oh, . . what I'm trying to say
#00:
Okay.
#99:
Well, we'll come back.
I will come . . There's
something more than the customer involved with
that. . with that what I call a soundproof thing
or what appears to be a soundproof - that's all
I want to say.
Okay. And I'll leave it there.
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#00:
#99 the leakage is important.
And its one
of several important things.
But I think
we have enough input on that right now.
I
don't want to question that area unless
something spontaneously comes in and then of
course, you will come out with it.
#99:
I can tell you this spontaneously and. . it
hit me - that the leakage is very dangerous.
#00:
Okay.
(Not audible)
#99:
And the big thing here is that I feel very
strongly and psychically emotionally that
our customer is not that fully aware.
#00:
Okay. And, you know, it is accepted certainly
by all of us in the room agree that that is a
dangerous thing.
Any leak, unknown leak, is
dangerous and will be looked into but right
now we won't pursue that any further. Except
for one phase and that was brought up - that
may be related - and that was brought up at
the beginning of the session.
I want to ask
a few questions about the death or the killing
of the young man that you alluded to yesterday.
If you can cycle back to this.
Just to remind
you of what you told us. You envisioned a
.
. a conference room, or at least a room
in which there was a table around which there
were six participants - one female who you
described as attractive, youngish - and five
males.
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