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GRILL FLAME
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SESSION REPORT
CLASSIFIED BY:
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april 2010
EXTENDED BY: DIRECTOR, DIA
REASON:
2-301c (3 & 6)
GRILL FLAME
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SUMMARY ANALYSIS
REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CCC-32
1. (S) This report documents a remote viewing session conducted in
compliance with a request for information on an area of interest.
2. (S)
This session represents this viewer's second attempt at this
target. He was able to attain his usual state of relaxed concentration
during the session. Ambient room noise was loud at the beginning of
the session, but the viewer was able to overcome this disturbance later
in the session when the noise subsided.
The viewer stated that this
was a difficult session for him in that he was challenged beyond his
usual sessions. He expressed confidence in his imagery.
3. (S) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the document
Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol (S), undated.
4. (S) Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions during
the remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made by the viewer
reference his impressions of the target site. At TAB B is target cuing
information provided the viewer.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CCC-32
TIME
#28:
This will be a remote viewing session for 0900 hours,
21 March 1980.
PAUSE
SG1A
Relax and concentrate now.
Relax and focus your
attention on
whose
picture I have shown you. Focus your attention
solely on him. Focus, focus on him.
PAUSE
Move your awareness to the period of time 1000
hours, April 7th. 1980. 1000 hours, April 7th, 1980.
Focus on
at that time.
SG1A
Focus your attention solely on
SG1A
1000 hours, April 7th, 1980, and describe
SG1A
your perception to me.
PAUSE
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#31:
Ok.
SG1A
#28:
Focusing solely on
focusing solely on him describe his primary concern.
PAUSE
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#31:
A meeting ... uh ... feel a U shaped, a U shape with ...
I don't know ... more people ... sitting around it.
I feel I am ... I am at the regular place, but now
there are two tables, and a feeling of discipline
action .... a ..... board, official board feeling. When
you asked his concern, I had the feeling of discipline
of a subordinate.
#28:
All right. Focusing solely on
SG1A
solely on him 1000 hours, April 7th 1980,
focus only on him describe his current actions.
SG1A
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#31:
Give me short time.
#28:
I will wait.
PAUSE
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#31:
He is writing on a tablet ... right handed.
He is
ripping a page off a small tablet. He's ripping it
off and giving it to a man who stands before his
desk. I still have the feeling of surrounding
people. The man who stands before his desk is standing
in the U in front of him. There are 2 men there; one
taller than the other. One man ... the tall man is
in a suit ... uniform, but the other man is in a brown
uniform.
It was as though he was writing an authorization, not
a penalty. It was as though he was writing a check,
or a approval, a receipt or such.
PAUSE
The meeting ..... still feel other people.
PAUSE
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#31:
Let me focus again another minute or two and then ...
#28:
I will wait.
PAUSE
#31:
I am riding in a car and I see a car going through
a link fence ... uh ... at the fence are men with white
striped hats and white gloves.
Feeling of a ...
tree lined drive hung up to a curve right to a
important place.
#28:
Explain time sequence of events.
#31:
I have ... my routine ... morning activities ... mundane ...
I am thinking thoughts such as the American's will
never draw down so long as there exists a. . uh. . threat
from the north. I just found myself in the back seat
of an automobile or moving ..... I feel afternoon or.
...
early afternoon or ...... mid-morning after a conference
meeting or something.
#28:
I would like at this time to rephrase one of my questions.
#31:
Yes.
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#28:
I asked you before about primary concern. I would
like to probe deeper than the concern of the moment.
More, I would address the question to the concern
the overwhelming concern of his present position.
Not the concern of the precise moment. So again I ask,
you describe his primary concern.
PAUSE
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#31:
All right. Desire to maintain the momentum and
progress of everyone's support. concerning the
reorganization and redevelopment which I proposed.
It looks as though I have achieved my end, but I
fear in letting my guard down and I fear that I
must continue the pressure momentum, I must talk
to more people. I must stay in everybody's lime-
light and make sure that they do not weaken or
change or soften their support of me and my proposals.
I therefore, am on a schedule of talking to many people
again and again who have power and influence to remind
them that, that all for change is not yet won. That
the changes have not yet occurred. .. although they are
desirable we must keep them in the front of our minds
and with our every act attempt to forward and promote
the accomplishment of the reorganization and the
changes necessary. Main concern is that I not weaken
in my ... I not feel the gloat of success too soon and
relax my vigilance and the, and the promotion activities.
Therefore, I am spending much time in movement, but
local movement to go and talk to people within
who have power and agree my allies. The ... I got a,
I got a thought.
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Uh ....... that the, that it's something else that was
the, just a quick feeling that the power of the .... uh ...
I got it as the
that the feeling that the power
SG1A
SG1A
of the
has been crushed and therefore, they were
of little account in his activities ... uh ... that he was
working rather with others in other organizations, which
were beginning to ascend in importance in ... politics.
Oh, but I had this ... almost gloat of satisfaction that
the
was of no longer much account. It was ......
almost as though it was ... umm .... I've lost it now.
SG1A
It was a funny feeling. It was as though well .....
I don't need to talk to them and there is no one there
that can be talked to anyway, because now they've all
gone down the tubes. So, I'm working with the people
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that have supplanted ... it was a real negative thought.
It was like it serves those turkeys right and that's
just what they bargained for. So now I'm dealing
with these other people. Oh! God. That was difficult.
I don't know what good that is.
#28:
Ok. Well, let's prepare to draw.
#31:
Well, I couldn't get into his real bottom line, but
I felt that it had to do with the changing power base
changing prestige of the military. But that was,
I don't know if that was overlay from the earlier
session or not. It was as though that of the earlier
session was merely a cog in this wheel of change .. uh ..
It seemed like what I pulled out of the last session
was really just part of it, and he was sort of content
that that had gone over ... I want to talk while I'm still
here .. uh. . he was content that his ... the thing involving
the military had gone over pretty well, and had been
pretty, pretty well accepted, and he didn't really see
any antagonism from people around him. The hostile
... there was not much hostile reception that could not
be controlled, and surreptitiously back doored, and
done away with invalidated, but that thing regarding
the military was just a ... was a cog in an overall
approach that had already been decided upon, and had
been floored, if you will, and had been accepted by
these many people. They profess to be his allies,
and to think that was a good idea, but even though
they ... this group of supporters of his, and himself
controlled : much power he did not trust, he did not
want to trust the power of their bondship and their
agreement indefinitely without continual monitoring,
and discussing with them, and reinforcement. So
that's what he was doing. He had ... he was always
vigilant and was always going and talking over with
his professed allies . . his supporters ... the people
in these other organizations that agreed with him
in order that the ball not drop. You know. In order
that it not slip, and that problems arise he wanted
to keep things going and keep the ... keep this thing ..
on everybody's front ... frontal lobe. Everybody to be
concerned with it very much. So that nothing would
slip.
#28:
You speak of .. uh. . you speak a great deal of .. in the
past tense, and I'm wondering if there is some crunch
point in the past tense that you talk about. You talk
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about the military support, and you talk about that
in the past tense as though some event took place in
the past tense. Am I interpreting what you said
correctly?
#31:
Yeah. Yes. It is as though .... this is where I have
the handicap of not knowing where, what the correlation
is ... I mean, not trying, not to put arbitrary correlation
between two sessions. You know. But, like I had the
feeling that the thing that he had proposed relative to
the military had been pretty widely accepted. But,
that was part of another plan. That it also simultaneously
been proposed. Not proposed publicly.
I had the
definite feeling it was proposed to a small click of
powerful people.
#28:
And when was this done? Let me rephrase that.
#31:
Recently in ... it had been as though this had been on
the burner ... let me go back to my session where I was ...
It was as though this had been proposed some week or
10 days, or 2 weeks earlier. Ok.
#28:
Than the point in time that you were addressing.
#31:
Yes. And that 2 weeks, 3 weeks ... sometime in a
recent past ... it was recent past. It was not a annual;
it wasn't on a year; it wasn't a 2 year or it wasn't
some grand 5-year plan. This was something that had
been proposed within 2 or 3 weeks earlier and had now
been progressing along, and even though he was meeting
little resistance, and there was little political
resistance to it from amongst other powerful dissidents ..
Dissidents within the power structure ... he did not want
to let the forward momentum slip so he kept talking to
his allies. He was concerned with keeping tab ....
..
you know ... keeping in touch. Keeping his plugs in to
these other people that were with him, you know, that
were supporting this overall change. But, it was
something that had been recent, and I had the feeling
to use words in the earlier session such as .. uh. . run
this up the flag pole, and see how it goes. You know.
This type of a. . well this is it. I can't put it off
any longer. We're going to see how this idea comes
across, and my feeling was now that that idea was
successful, and that it had gained approval as regards
to the military. But, that it really was only a piece
of a pie of change that was being pushed through by
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this guy. Other than that, I don't know.
I can't really describe those ........ feelings
much more. But, the thing on the
was very
spontaneous. It was ... I was sitting there trying
you know, just accepting what thoughts were coming
into my head ... just talking, pretending I was him,
you know, riding in the back seat of his car.
And, it was as though the
, interpreting now.
These aren't the words, but interpreting ... as though
they've gotten what had been planned for them
and what they deserved and were no longer of much
consequence or threat to this scheme. Ok. That's
it. I've got to get some coffee.
SG1A
SG1A
#28:
Ok. Then we'll draw what you have.
#31
Ok. I'll run through this session just from start
to finish. Uh ... my .. uh .. my starting imagery was a
feeling of a. . uh. . T-shaped building. That's too big
on the T. I'll just draw .... more like that, ok.
More like this with trees around it as though it was
a line of trees ... ok ... nice trees, everything. Like
this. I'll just do this real quick 'cause I know it's
..... all right .... ok ..... I had the feeling I was in
a metropolitan area ... metropolitan .. uh .. feeling of
walk, street, you know, intersection type of thing ...
and that this was a building. Ok. Metropolitan area.
It was a T-shaped, 2 to 3 story building, ok. That
was just first imagery, all right.
I had the feeling
that I was back in the guy's office, but that the
office structure had changed.
Not the structure so much, but the layout.
It was as
though here ... I'll do these also real quick ... as though
moved in from the sides were now several long conference
tables had been moved in to make a U shaped, and there
were people sitting along the outside ... not alot of
people, not a bunch, but like 3 or 4 at each table ...
just a little black spots are them, and they had papers
out in front of them, and our guy had a writing tab
out in front of him, ok. Uh ... I had the feeling that
these tables had, at one time, been located along the
outer walls. That's where they were kept most of the
time but that for purposes of this type of activity
the tables were just moved in from the side and layed
out in a horseshoe shape and everybody came in and did
their thing, ok. Ummm .. disciplinary action was the
first feeling that I had. It was as though a courts
martial ... uh ... type of feeling ... that was the first
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feeling that I had. And, I had a feeling of 2 men
standing here in front at one time ... after I had
been working on the imagery for awhile, and the
guy behind the big desk, who I think is our target,
beacon, wrote something out on a tab of paper. Not
a big tab. Not a big formal document or notebook,
but a tab of paper and ripped the top off, and
handed it up to this guy, ok ... where the arrow on
sketch 2 shows that he handed it to this guy on the
right.
Guy on the right of the sketch was dressed more
formally, but a uniform type of dress. I had the
feeling he might have been in class A type uniform.
The guy on the left was shorter, and I had the feeling
that he was like dressed in fatigues or a more
work uniform. A work type uniform ... labor uniform.
Ok.
Just quick ones.
Uh ... throughout this whole set of imagery here, as
long as I worked on it I always had the idea that this
conference was going on, and that these men were here.
You know ... throughout this first part of this session.
Well, anyway, I'll put it in. Here's a window. I felt
I was back in the same, same ..... like that .... ok.
Here's general ..... ok ... now what. You want anymore on
this?
#28:
Uh ... no, I think the next perception you had as I
asked you ok at that time what was his concern, and
you said disciplinary concepts, and what my specific
question ... describe his current action, and at that
time you told me about his activity, which appeared to
be writing on tab or something.
#31:
Right. Ok. Still have that feeling of a, of a raised
desk on each end type of a thing. Ok. Uh ... I was
like getting right behind him but I have to draw it
in perspective because it wouldn't do any ....... uh ...
sitting at the desk like this writing .. . he's actually
bigger than that ... desk is out of proportion to the
sketch ... uh ... writing on a tab right-handed. Had the
feeling he was writing from right to left, too.
There's the other side of the desk. .. like that. Ok.
And he whipped it off and here were the 2 guys ... were
standing here. Here in the foreground is one table,
and over here is the other table. There would be men
sitting here on the left line. Uh .. real snappy dresser
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on the right standing at attention.
You know.
With formality but familiarity. As though this guy
works for the general, and the little guy ......
....
that had all the trouble did not work for the gen ...
worked for the general but was way down in the ranks
somewhere. Ok, and here's the other feature. The
other figure here like this ... is shorter, and he
reaches up and rips off a small sheet of paper.
Now,
when I had this feeling this small sheet of paper
was not as though, you know, the guy gets 40 lashes,
like that. It was as though .... ok ..... this is ......
what you need to get what it is you need, and I'll
sign my name here ... it was like a receipt almost,
ok. He handed it to the guy.
:Like a receipt or
a check to get something. With that, he could go and
get stuff ... was the feeling.
All right.
It contradicts the earlier, you know ...
I know it contradicts the earlier feeling of disciplinary
and court-martial, but that was it ... and, man on left
a small ... first of all, writes from right to left, hands
man on left a small piece of paper with which something
can be gotten. Ok. The guy on the left takes it and
that was the end of imagery. The imag ... uh. . for them
was like they left or something, because then, I refocused
again, and I just had the standard U-shape, ok, surrounded
by, again, a number of people, ok. That's a flag or the
drapery. The feeling ... when I was looking over his
shoulder ... the feeling really, .. it was a interesting
feeling because it was like he was writing on a receipt
book or something that is a small piece of paper, pad,
in pad form. You just rip them off .. but ... it was like
filling in blanks. It was almost as though he was
writing a receipt or writing a check, or something like
that, ok, or filling out a pre- filling out a pre-printed
uh .. requisition form. Something like that was the
feeling. You know. He just ripped it off the tab and
handed it to the guy.
Uh ... You know and the feeling of serrations to rip it
off with or feeling of ... the rip off, automatic rip
off type idea was right there. It wasn't like he ..
lifted up a notebook and handed it to him. It wasn't
like he lifted up a full piece of paper that was loose
and handed it to him. All right. So much for that.
Then, I guess I drifted in time.
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#28:
Yes, the next things that you came up with were
quite spontaneous.
#31
Uh ... I had the feeling again, that I was sitting on
his shoulder or something like that or maybe inside
his head.
I was actually trying to actually get
inside his head when I was here. Ok.
#28:
Back in the office?
#31:
When I was back in the office in sketch 3. That's
where I was trying to figure out what he was doing
and what he was thinking about.
Uh ... the next thing. I had a little bit of a blank
space .. uh .. when I was thinking that I was inside his
head, ok, and then suddenly I had the feeling of .....
riding in the back right-hand seat of a large car.
An official vehicle. Just myself, alone having a
small ... not a briefcase, but a small container. Like
you know one of these flat plastic bags that you slide
a couple papers into. An atta ... not an attache case,
but a ... and not a brief case, but just a little
carrying case, ok. And just having that on the floor
next to me leaning against my leg with nothing else.
You know. I didn't have any scattered papers about
or anything like that. I was just ri ... going some
place, and the vue look that I had was through the
front of the car. The vehicle. Through the front
windshield of the vehicle. I had a feeling of a
sliding chain-link fence and a small guard shack on the
other side of it, ok. You can see through it. That's
why I'm not going to put anything in. .. well, I'll put
in a little bit to show that it's chain-linked. This
is a sliding gate. It slides back. Doesn't open up
this way. It slides back and forth. I had the feeling
that the guys that open the gate were standing right
next to us. Not like when you open up a big chain-
link fence the guy has to walk in a big semi-circle
and then he ends up far away from where he started.
This was the feeling that he just walked backwards
sliding this gate, and was really standing right
very close to the fence. But, everything had slid
together, ok.
Sliding chain-link gate, fence and gate, ok, like
this. And the guy standing here ....... I couldn't tell
if he was an American or Oriental or what ... uh ...
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was wearing a black helmet liner with a white
stripe, and he was wearing some sort of a khaki
or tan colored uniform, and I could'a sworn it was
short sleeved. Which seems unlikely too, but .....
and white gloves. Like a formal guard. You know.
Formal MP type guard. Ok. I'll write that out.
Black, helmet, liner, white gloves, khaki, I guess.
Khaki uniform. I didn't see any brass
(mumbling)
or anything like that on the arm. Uh ... khaki uniform
black helmet liner ... liner with white stripe ...
khaki uniform.
Stood at attention. I had the feeling
there was another one over here dressed the same way.
Ok, ok. Now, behind this ... I'll draw an aerial type
feeling ... is the best way for me to do it. Not, no
stopping ... a wave-through type of thing, and this
was entering.
This wasn't exiting. I didn't have
the feeling it was exiting a= place.
I had the
feeling it was entering a place.
A chain-linked
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compound.
Vehicle with
riding in back
right side, ok. I already have ... call that chain-link.
This a guard shack. Inside fence, was the feeling.
Ok. On sketch 5 I'll do, what I think to be a more
of an overlay, I mean an overhead type of a view because
I was moving and I was getting very, you know, alot
of .... just general impressions. I felt like I was
moving, anyway. Now, whether he was actually doing
this or whether he was thinking this, I don't know.
You know. Anyhooo, here we are. Little guard shack
chain-link fence, ok. The feeling is ... this is the
road ... that there is some sort of asphalt strip on
the right inside the gate on the right side. Asphalt,
open strip that goes down and there is some sort of
a structure down here. Let me do a bigger thing so
I can put the whole thing together. Here is a building.
This is asphalt park or drive strip. Here's the
other side of the fence. I don't know what's on the
left side. Guard shack there, and this drive strip
goes this way, and this way, and it's all one
continuous thing, ok. But, here is a feeling of some
sort of a winding road going up here, and there are
trees all here. Very nice. Like palatial grounds.
You know. That type of a feeling, and this goes
up on a hill. Somewhat of a little bit of a hill,
and then up here is another structure. Which I
didn't ... I could only see through the trees. I was
losing my, losing, by that time I was trying to
concentrate more on what he was thinking about
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than where he was going 'cause I was trying to
... you were interested in thoughts and concerns.
Then, there's a building on a hill. It's a large
building. Let me go back here. I think I can probably
do something with this.
Ok. And the whole view is covered by these trees.
You could just see it in between the trees is all
I was doing, ok. He went out .... the vehicle went
out this curvy road into the distance up the hill.
You know. Alot of pretty, pretty trees. They're
cluttered because of the trees in the way. You just
get a picture of a bloch of light, concrete structure
of a lar ... of large proportions through it. All right.
There you go. Here's 4.
Ok. So 5. Here's the large building, up here. Trees
in the way. Some sort of a little bi ... larger than
the guard shack, but it's small ancillary building
over on the right side, and he went this way. Ok.
#31:
Where am I now?
#28:
Uh ... at this point you began to talk about. . uh. . as you
perceived yourself going .. . . through this gate and up
-this road in the car. Then, you began to verbalize
about .. uh .. I asked if I could rephrase my question, and
go beyond concerns of the moment. Because, when I
had asked you previously about what was his concern,
and you found him in some meeting, and his concern was
about discipline of .. something like that. So I wanted
to address my question beyond the immediate concern
of what he was paying attention to. More of a total
concern. What is his total situational concern, and
you began to verbalize on that. I really don't think
there's any other pictures that you can draw.
#31:
I didn't get anymore imagery. Uh ... when I started
talking I started getting fleeting ... just on occasional,
I was con .... I just sort of tried to open up and just
start talking. You know.
Just start saying things.
Ummm ... I can't even say that at that time. .. I don't
even know where my focus was ... at that time I'd lost
him in a vehicle. I just shifted to .. uh. . just a
nothingness, and I just started talking, and I can
recall basically what I was saying. You know. But, I
lost all perspective of movement and where he was and
anything else, and I even lost perspective of him.
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You know. I felt that I was with him, but I
didn't know where. You know. I just don't ... I don't
have any feeling for anything substant to in the
classic remote viewing sense. You know. Where you
get imagery and everything. I did have a couple
fleeting shots that occasionally supported what it
was that I was verbalizing.
What was coming to me
and what I was saying. Ummm .....
#28:
Well, if you remember I asked you to focus, not on the
particular moment. So, since I was asking you to focus
on ideas and concepts you may not have imagery associated
with what you're after.
#31:
One of the faults of forgetting your lighter is you
end up chain-smoking. I had a feeling of several
fleeting images that did support, I think, what was
going through my mind. was ... I had a thought of him
conducting a casual conversation in the back of the
same car, as an example. At another moment, I had a
thought of him, or an image of him sitting in back
of the same car with papers scattered all over his lap.
Like he was working on the road. You know. Like he
was reading .... he had stuff. Uh ... the one, I think was
associated with this idea of very dignified, gradual
pressuring and keeping his voice in and making sure
that the people that said they were with him are still
with him and still agreed with the idean, and nobody
was letting their guard down. I had the image of
him, like sitting in the back of his car with that
same little black notebook on the floor ... not notebook,
but same little black brief envelope, and he was
sitting in a fashion ... he was like leaning left across
the back seat of the car, slightly, and had his legs
crossed and he was talking to another individual
riding next to him. And that was some supporting
imagery when I was talking.
You know. Like he was,
he was taking the opportunity of the joint ride to
remind the guy and make sure the guy, whoever it was,
he was talking to, didn't let his guard down, remind
him of importance of keeping vigilance .. uh .. against
opposition. This type of thing.
#28:
Now, that doesn't agree with what you said earlier
in that you said that you perceived yourself as being
alone in the car.
#31:
Now, I know. I know. This alone in the car was
moving to the building in sketches 4 and 5. There
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was no one there. Then, like I said, I lost him, lost
all idea of where he was, and I was just working on
him, his thoughts, and everything, and I was having
an occasional flicker of imagery as I was going through
the recitation or whatever it is. That was one of them.
That little quick image was the feeling of him keeping
his gradual polite pressure up. You know. Not wanting
to let his guard down just because he thought every-
thing was ok, and everything had gone successfully
it was really too early to tell, and he didn't want
to let his guard down; and he didn't want his
associates to let their guard down either. So he
kept gradually politicing with them you know. Off
and on politicing. Giving pep talks; that type of
thing, you know. Uh ... the fleeting thought about the
again,
came to me as
that sort of
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caught me a little off-guard, and I was concerned
about the quality of it. Because it did come through
to me in a very ... an acronymic US acronym form.
It
SG1A
SG1A
sort of distracted me a little bit, and I, I said,
now, you know, is this real. Is this a real thought?
Am I fabricating something here? Because, it came
through as
You wouldn't expect it to come
through. You'd expect some other terminology to come
through. Like the thought police, or the secret
police, or the intelligence community, or the intelli-
gence people, or the secret intelligence, you know.
And, I ... sort of distracted me, but
So I just accepted it, but that distraction was enough
to start to bring me out, and that's when I started
losing that thought, and that's when I sort of surfaced
trying to pursue this thought off into the void. You
know. Couple more words, maybe a little more clearly
stated .... recollection, maybe not more clearly stated,
but, the feeling was that his involvement with ...:
proposal concerning position that the military should
have and that the military organization would, would
be .. uh. . had been accepted sometime in the near past ..
with narry a ripple. Very few ripples, you know.
Not, not much political turmoil or anything, but that
that was still only part of a bigger plan that he had
also proposed to his croonies. He was always going
around and politicing with them about. He wanted to
make sure they maintained steadfast on the overall
plan. Even though it looked like they were going to be
successful. As indicated by this military part of
the plan, whatever that was. And, I had the feeling
that that was the thing that had been proposed 10 days,
20 weeks or something before that; and it had looked like
stayed there.
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it hadn't caused any problem. So everybody was saying
oh, this is going to be a breeze. Right. But, he was
concerned that he not fall into that trap of letting
his guard down. The very significant thread throughout
this whole thing was political. Strong, classic
political back-stabbing, in-fighting, manipulations,
forming alliances, and alliances crumbling, power blocks
within the whole structure of this grand scheme. That
was where the thought that the
had been crushed
and set back on its haunches, and was no longer
a significant power block, but still had to be watched
but was not powerful enough to muster the necessary
political clout to undermine this organizational thing.
The feeling ... they sort of got what they deserved. . ha,
ha, .. was the feeling. You know. It serves them right.
Like he really was at vying odds with the
and was
sort of gloating at the fact that his arch rival had
taken it in the shorts. That type of feeling.
Concern, and yet sort of ... the nature of the thought was,
well you know how you say, well what about so-and-so,
ahh, don't worry about him, and you sort of put him on
a little, put him on a little shelf because he's not
really any problem, but that way you can look up there
every once and a while, and keep an eye on him. But,
you don't have to worry about that thing in your day-
to-day life. You know. Your day-to-day function. But,
that was the feeling of that. It was like, well they're
up on the shelf now, they got what they deserved. We
don't have to worry about them in this thing, but we
still have to keep a little bit of an eye on 'em so I'll
put them up there on a shelf in my mind and we'll just
keep an eye on 'em.
#28:
Is there anything else that you would like to add?
#31:
The difficulty .... the thing which comes after me in
this session is that the guy has his routine, his
mundane functions. I think I used the word mundane
when I was thinking about what he was thinking about.
I had the feeling he wears a uniform. He does have like
command prerogative. He does have command responsibilities.
He does have a bunch weenies he's got to worry about.
But, he's really being torn between the two houses.
You
know. He doesn't really look at his purpose in life
as being a commander of troops in a ... a warrior ... so
much as he's looking at himself as being a warrior
turned political who now is involved in this political
scheming .... which is really more attractive to him .....
I think .... more fascinating to him. But, he's still
got to keep the face up in his military organization.
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back on his head, and his thoughts trying to open
myself up to those thoughts, then I really became
facinated with the challenge, and then I think I just
continually improved. The quality of what I was feeling was
.... I knew I was continually improving and though my
slipping into facination, if you will ... so my focus was
increasing all the way through the ... progressively
all the way through the session. You know. To include
even the thoughts and my interpretation of his thoughts
and concerns. I know there's not too much substance
to there. I couldn't get anything substantive. Like
it will be neat to get a label or a name or organizations
or actual entities and structures that were concerning him.
SG1A
It would be neat to find out what this whole thing is
all about, but I just couldn't get that deeply technical.
I was mostly tuning in on the fleeting thoughts. You know.
He's not actively thinking about the organization. He's
thinking about all these tertiary/ (phonetic) things
pertaining to it. I think I picked those up well. And,
then again, like I said earlier the thought about the
sort of puzzled me. I was worried about quality.
So when I dropped back, ... .. I lost my focus, because I
was trying to make sure the quality of that impression.
So I think earlier part of the session there was some
noise bothering me, I had some difficulty focusing.
But, the more challenging the session became to me, the
more I got into it. So, I think the quality improved
all the way through the session until the last.
Ok.
#28:
#31:
Ok. One other ... one other note .... I was talking about
how he's being torn between military and political
and he still has military functions ... as some sort of
a commander. The important thing that I got is that
he's restricted. He doesn't have field responsibility.
He's in ... I had the distinct impression that his whole
life now was evolving around
Around the main
SG1A
capital area, and that he didn't have a field command.
But all his activities ... his comings and goings were
between key people and political people. All within ...
all within the main capital region inside the city.
Maybe a trip out to the summer cottage in the country,
but, again, all associated and all affiliated with the
capital region as opposed to. . uh. . you know, having to
to take a drive out to visit the division headquarters
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And, so thence he feels sort of burdened. You know.
Like ... shit, I got another staff meeting this morning.
Well, I got to get these guys in here, give them
something to do so that they don't bother me. You
know. We'll talk about. Oh, and so-and-so wrecked
the car, ok, well drag his butt in here too, and we'll
fine him or we'll do this to him, and I guess it is
my job because I'm
I have to do it.
SG1A
You know.
But, he's not really interested in that prospect of
his ... those perspectives of his life in existence
right now. So much as he is being torn away from that ..
towards this political .... this greater thing, you know.
And, yet, on top of it I have the feeling that he is
still a very military person, you know. He still
expects and demands respect and he still pays attention
to duty and he knows what his duty is, and he performs
his duty. . uh. .. but, he's like in a transition. He
... the political duties of his are drawing him slowly
away from his military duties.
And what else.
#28:
How do you feel about the session itself, about your
perceptions, and confidence you may have in your
perceptions?
#31
Uh ... I was sort of searching a little bit at the
beginning of the session, you know, ... uh. . because of
noise and distractions. I was just having a little
bit of trouble concentrating. Uh ... once I acquired
the imagery of the T-building ... I was having a little
trouble, you know, because ... the purpose of the session
was not for me to describe terrain features, stuff
like that, you know. I was supposed to do something
much more abstract. Once I got a little bit of imagery
to hold on to, I got into the guy's office, and I got
behind him, and I started working on his head, that
attracted my concentration, and I became facinated by
it. So, the T-shaped buillding is just some acquisition
imagery, or some such thing. I feel good about the
conference. I feel good about the ... it was like a series
of progressively more challenging exercises you put me
through, right. So, I felt good about finding the guy
again, of course. I felt good about the general conference
scenario. Even though it did sort of set me off. 'Cause
the room had changed. And, when I started working on the
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ok, that was the only thing I wanted to mention.
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1. (S) The facilitator and viewer were both provided with a picture
of the target subject and his name, grade, country of origin, and
probable location. In addition the facilitator was provided with
the target times and dates, which were not provided to the viewer
until the appropriate portion of the session wherein they were re-
quired. The facilitator was also provided with two basic questions
to ask the viewer (see attached), which were designed to circumvent
direct cuing towards the required information.
2. (S) This session represented the second time that the viewer was
targeted against this particular personality. The only feedback pre-
viously provided on the prior session was that "while information
you provided appeared to be converse to information currently hypo-
thesised, much of what you previously provided also appears to be
accurate."
3. (S) Both viewer and facilitator knew prior to the session which
analyst would be directing the specific target, but since information
concerning the country of origin was provided to the viewer as a por-
tion of the targeting information, this should have had no adverse
affect.
4. (S) No other information was provided to either viewer or facilitator
prior to the session.
JOSEPH W. MCMONEAGLE
CW2
Analyst
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